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[\h__\h] of Patek in the room dead yep

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are circulating within 24 hours yeah of

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the the the killing and people are

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wondering how did those get out it's

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suspected that Levi's Hancock leaked

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them to a girlfriend and not not to his

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girlfriend at the time okay and he would

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have leaked it to a possible previous

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girlfriend or or I won't get into so you

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call up on one of the talk shows that

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Lombardo was on and asked him and he

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claims we did a full investigation

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mm-hmm into the leaked photos and we

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were not able to identify how they were

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leaked so therefore there was no

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discipline with anyone that needs to be

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said specifically what about Levi

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Hancock and he said we specifically

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investigated Levi Hancock and he's been

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cleared yeah okay so what do you want to

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say about that well I find that I find

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the way he said that odd to begin with

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because and I did a two-part question

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but it didn't let him know the second

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part of the question first I want to

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just ask the first part of the question

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he did promise us that he would give us

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the the the results of the investigation

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and of course he comes back when we do

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their comprehensive investigation but

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just like you said and then next

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question out of my mouth is okay there's

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been some rumors about Levi Hancock

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leaking these images to Jackie Heinrich

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of Boston 25 blah blah blah would you

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would he have to say about that and of

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course he says well we heard that too

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and he can stand there and say that Levi

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Hancock was not the person who did it so

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we've in his mind he's eliminated an

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officer that didn't do it but he can't

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figure out which officer did do it which

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is obviously BS because I can go in

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there in 15 minutes I can tell you

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exactly who did it so whatever this

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crackpot team of investigators that they

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had that went into the the leaked images

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and could not figure out where they came

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from when we have those images being

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dispersed amongst the officers within an

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hour after they breached the room these

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officers are seeing that so I get this

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time frame now let me walk you through

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this because this is information it's

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never been revealed before it never been

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released and part of this is opinion

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part of this is fact so I'm gonna walk

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you through this at the time that the

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the second room was breached

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obviously officer O'Donnell negligently

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discharged his weapon at that moment in

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officer O'Donnell should have been

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removed

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he should not have stayed on the scene

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that's officer that's standard protocol

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and what you do is if you have a

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negligent discharge that oh I asked its

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involved which is why we have a fit

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report which I call something else that

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reminds that rhymes fit so we have the

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fit report that in the whole reason for

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that is because we have a negligent

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discharge of a weapon so now it's an

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officer-involved shooting okay which

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obviously wouldn't have in the case of a

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state homicide okay so everybody's

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wonder well why did he go that way well

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there's a reason because this officer

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fired a weapon Seyfried a weapon then

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you have a sheriff saying we engaged the

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suspect so now you have all this this

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stuff up in the air so fast-forward a

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little bit and so now you've got a

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Donnell should have been pulled at that

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immediate time but he wasn't he stayed

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there match go after a few minutes has

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given the actual officer Masco has given

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the job of guarding that crime scene and

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also go through everything you can do to

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find phones any written information

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anything that would tell us where these

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other shooters are because they're

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getting calls that there's other

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shooters that you know tropicana Diggins

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you know New York New York and so forth

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so officer Masco is now running around

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this room basically destroying any

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evidence that would be preserved he's

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moving things around he's lifting things

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up he's looking for phones he's looking

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for whatever he sees wires going into

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bags he's actually says in a statement

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that we did release his statement in his

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statement he says he sees wires go in

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the bags he's calling for a k-9 to come

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up to actually sniff the room because

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he's thinking that might be a bomb he

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doesn't know so he's scared about a bomb

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trying to find phones he finds some

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phones and then eventually he they pull

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Patek and they actually lift Patek up

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a lot of controversy about this was I

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stated that paddock was moved okay so if

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paddock was laying on the on the ground

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face when they first go in there and you

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Cameron or whatever but then I was

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sudden there's blood when we see the

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pictures later so now there's two pools

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of blood two completely different colors

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which tells me they came out at two

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happens is if he was moved and then in

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the case of the blood on the chest as

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well he was product he possible he was

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lifted up or that

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blood came out of his mouth when he

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fired final shot who knows a lot of

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ground covered there that's forward

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again with O'Donnell you've got Levi

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officer O'Donnell in the room and they

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where did they go

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so Hancock and O'Donnell leave together

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now this is a know Donald statement

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previous to this as to what happened but

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he doesn't really go into what him and

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officer O'Donnell walk away Levi makes a

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phone call to his ex-girlfriend who was

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a reporter who was a reporter who

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Las Vegas and moved to Boston now what

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are the odds that a reporter from Las

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who used to allegedly date or whatever

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Boston and somehow gets these images the

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same images that were leaked within a

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specific time frame very soon right

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after the shooting so which two officers

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of a sudden we hear this Levi according

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to Matt's Co came back with officer

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why were they coming back to the crime

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O'Donnell and asked Hancock what are you

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doing I'm coming back to get it take

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statement that he's taking pictures

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match Coe looks at Levi while he's

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taking pictures what is he taking

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pictures with his phone so as he takes

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body cam video no how are you this is in

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a report yeah this is this is he said I

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pictures with the cell phone and what

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order to release so we got these

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documents and I'm piecing this together

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the room and we know that this woman in

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Boston who used to date got the pictures

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because she did what with him she

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released them well - my thought is this

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to begin with but they do walk away

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during that time they make an initial

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hey guess what blah blah blah this is

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what's going down and he's given her

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this information maybe an exclusive or

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don't know so then the two come back and

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her possibly we don't have the records

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of it that maybe she told him to go back

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and get her something but how do we know

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that she got the pictures

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first person to release him okay yeah so

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the first to release these images she

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gets the exclusive and the images have a

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lot of information in them the problem

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but it had enough information in these

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images to determine what camera took the

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pictures I didn't have the EXIF data but

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the pictures were taken with an iPhone

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namely an iPhone 6 that I believe so it

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was my quest at that moment which I

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never revealed to the public back at the

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time to find out which phone this guy

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has come to find out I get I get a lot

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of information and people come to me

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with this some information and

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volunteered information well now gonna

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reveal the sources but drumroll the an

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iPhone 6 okay great so now we now we

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know okay that narrows it down you know

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how many officers were up in that room

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that had iPhone 6s or would you say

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iPhone okay look it was clearly Levi's

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Hancock or Tookie who took these

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pictures

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his girlfriend Mike question is okay at

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the end of the day what's the big so

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what about this we talked about

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cover-ups that we're doing the cover-up

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fades right now okay so obviously if

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sheriff Lombardo who lied to me directly

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on when I did an interview or not

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interview I did a call into a radio show

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he was doing and I asked him directly

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and he in my opinion directly lied to me

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he doesn't like to acknowledge any fault

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by anyone at the Las Vegas police

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department that seems to be his MO yep

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and that would be the explanation as to

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why he didn't you know acknowledge that

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yeah one of our officers acted

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inappropriately yeah and he's being

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disciplined or whatever because we don't

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do anything wrong same reason why his

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knee-jerk reaction is to protect Hendrix

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when it's just so absurd anybody to

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defend Hendrix and undocked that

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how could you defend that that's what

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Lombardo yeah and I and I've got a lot

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of really heavy opinions on Hendrix and

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obviously Hancock and the situation is

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this didn't he run on some sort of

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campaign promise of transparency how

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transparency or how much transparent do

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you think this whole investigation

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actually was and I'm not buying it I'm

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not buying a lot of things it doesn't

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matter I just want to make sure what the

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import was of that whole issue that

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shows more police corruption we're not

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saying that oh those photos seem to show

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something that the other photos don't

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show there's something like that with

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the photos no there's not that but there

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is this when Matt's Co asked him who

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you're taking the photos for he said

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bought the boss our boss

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well Masco was the one taking the photos

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in there to verify Paddick was whoever

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but at the same time guess what match

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goes boss leave a Hancock's boss is the

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same boss but maybe at that moment in

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time

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Levi's boss was actually in Boston and

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Levi's boss was actually probably Jackie

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yeah Lombardo did ask him to take

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pictures and that's why I Lombardo was

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in Park covering that up I don't know

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let me ask you about the moving of the

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body is that significant is that

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sinister well why was the body well I

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did didn't somebody say that they were

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checking

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if there's any explosives on him or

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something like that they were taking

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this they're actually checking in to see

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if there's any cell phones on him and if

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he was in communication with anyone that

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could be a possible extra another she's

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the important thing to everybody to know

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is that the first thing you're doing is

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you're concerned about other people

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being killed

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correct I have an active shooter

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situation even though the gang their

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blood absolutely then you worry about

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the investigation second absolutely so

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as far as it being a crime scene that

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you don't mess with well you actually do

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mess with a crime scene as long as you

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think people are in danger

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absolutely and I'm an agreement with

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that but there's a certain point where

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as you're walking around a room if you

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have a suspect lying on the floor

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obviously dead then the movement about

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other guys yeah but but the movement of

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weapons the movement of other items that

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might have some true evidentiary value

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and not necessarily any value to you

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trying to figure out if there's another

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shooter there there's a lot of things

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moved and I don't know exactly what was

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moved or how far was moved knowledge

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different things all I know is that

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there's a lot that was apparently moved

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I can visualize Masco running through

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that room scared to death thinking that

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that one you he's under the gun to go

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find you know something's gonna point to

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another shooter he's looking at

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suitcases have wires hanging out of them

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and who knows if the wires go to a bomb

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or if they go to a sexual device or

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whatever else was in these things and

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all of these various questions that come

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to mind so that's the mind of Matt's go

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but when everybody was on edge I mean

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hence the reason why there was an

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accidental discharge I mean this is a

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pretty freaky situation you're walking

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into you know what your accidental

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discharge and then the officer is still

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there O'Donnell was still on duty for

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the rest of the night that doesn't

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happen I don't know any em once you

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accidentally discharged your weapon your

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buddies don't want you there they like

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dude you need to you need to go talk to

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you know whatever officer they talked to

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you don't just say hey I thought I saw

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something and and shot in it I saw that

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tie up dad no I don't think he's a booty

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cat in there I mean that's from 134

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that's another ministry here's here's

364
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the big takeaway from all of this this

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this if this show leaves anyone watching

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this with one thought we were told

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by a judge it's guy that the the lawsuit

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that was brought forth by RJ the

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review-journal

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and I'm subsequently was brought on by

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several other news organizations that we

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were going to receive all of the

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information the data the body 1 camera

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footage statements whatever it is that

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they had we're supposed to get Nevada

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Supreme Court ultimately really you got

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to release everything and then police

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start releasing things in little drips

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and drabs after that yep and so they did

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that over a period of time knowing that

381
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okay well if we do this the public

382
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interest will wane well obviously it did

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and the election will happen because

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there's a few things dribbled out before

385
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the election and then they started

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dumping more stuff after the election

387
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correct so you have that and then you

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have I think it was a six-month

389
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timeframe he bypassed that and we're

390
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still and we're still getting

391
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information we're still getting not now

392
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I mean back at this six-month mark

393
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they're still every Wednesday they're

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doing their data dumps and we're going

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to pick it out thirty four thirty fifth

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data dump and then they say they're done

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then we're like hey wait a minute what

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about what about what about what about

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and then also we get here's another

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little oh yeah you're right we forget

401
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about these here's another day to them

402
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okay and then the rest here we are fully

403
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doing FOIA is you know a Freedom of

404
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Information Act requests to get more

405
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information why are we doing this why do

406
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we have to do a FOIA request to get

407
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information that the Supreme Court of

408
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Nevada ordered you to give us so now you

409
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are making us jump through all these

410
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hoops to get this information key thing

411
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is which information are we getting on

412
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this for you request well the O'Donnell

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statement is a prime example the Newton

414
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statement is a prime example so if you

415
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go look at those two statements they're

416
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pretty important statements those took

417
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independent for you requests after the

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Supreme Court ruling yep and there is a

419
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team of people that are behind the

420
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scenes here that are doing an incredible

421
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amount of work in Las Vegas that are

422
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diligently going after these requests

423
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getting this information I'm not going

424
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to share and take credit for all of this

425
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this is this is a team effort this is a

426
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lot of people getting together saying

427
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look our common core goal here is to get

428
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as much information out to the public as

429
00:15:32,860 --> 00:15:31,390
possible you're doing a wonderful job by

430
00:15:34,930 --> 00:15:32,870
allowing me to sit here and do

431
00:15:37,420 --> 00:15:34,940
right now okay and I appreciate that

432
00:15:41,050 --> 00:15:37,430
absolutely do I I couldn't ask for a

433
00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:41,060
better way to get this out but at the

434
00:15:45,700 --> 00:15:43,130
same time you've got people working

435
00:15:47,170 --> 00:15:45,710
behind the scenes tirelessly that don't

436
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necessarily want their names out there

437
00:15:50,829 --> 00:15:49,220
or all these different things but they

438
00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:50,839
are behind the scenes doing this stuff

439
00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:52,250
and they deserve the credit

440
00:15:56,650 --> 00:15:54,050
that's deserved to them but they also

441
00:15:58,810 --> 00:15:56,660
deserve the same satisfaction that the

442
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victims families and that the survivors

443
00:16:03,490 --> 00:16:00,890
deserve which is some form of closure in

444
00:16:05,860 --> 00:16:03,500
some form of accountability when it

445
00:16:08,110 --> 00:16:05,870
comes to the LV MPD who obviously has

446
00:16:09,940 --> 00:16:08,120
failed at doing this now I'm going to

447
00:16:11,110 --> 00:16:09,950
look at you and I'm gonna ask you a

448
00:16:13,329 --> 00:16:11,120
question again we're gonna flip this

449
00:16:14,740 --> 00:16:13,339
thing around is it in your opinion that

450
00:16:16,150 --> 00:16:14,750
based on the information I've given you

451
00:16:19,030 --> 00:16:16,160
here today that the Las Vegas

452
00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:19,040
metropolitan Police Department is in

453
00:16:26,710 --> 00:16:25,610
contempt absolutely if I mean if you're

454
00:16:28,450 --> 00:16:26,720
talking to those statements that you're

455
00:16:29,650 --> 00:16:28,460
talking about and absolutely should have

456
00:16:32,740 --> 00:16:29,660
been revealed and they should have been

457
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released within a week of the Nevada

458
00:16:36,579 --> 00:16:34,430
Supreme Court ruling I don't even get

459
00:16:38,620 --> 00:16:36,589
the whole six-month you know weekly

460
00:16:40,390 --> 00:16:38,630
dribs and drabs well their excuse to

461
00:16:44,500 --> 00:16:40,400
that was because it was so much

462
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information that the amount of work

463
00:16:47,860 --> 00:16:46,880
necessary to go in and redact some of

464
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the names which I understand the

465
00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:49,310
redaction process is paying this I've

466
00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:51,290
got 14,000 documents that's going to be

467
00:16:56,019 --> 00:16:53,570
coming out yeah in what five years or

468
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something after they reject at all and

469
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that's that's with the help of another

470
00:17:02,110 --> 00:16:59,300
person as well that's therefore your

471
00:17:03,490 --> 00:17:02,120
request that's 28 CDs of information

472
00:17:04,809 --> 00:17:03,500
we're supposed to get but we have to

473
00:17:05,949 --> 00:17:04,819
wait for it yeah I think you know there

474
00:17:07,569 --> 00:17:05,959
probably would be a question of whether

475
00:17:08,860 --> 00:17:07,579
it was intentional or not I think if

476
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they could they could demonstrate that

477
00:17:14,410 --> 00:17:12,980
this was negligence and not intense if

478
00:17:16,660 --> 00:17:14,420
you're gonna get contempt of court for

479
00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:16,670
violating that order you'd have to show

480
00:17:21,370 --> 00:17:18,770
intent have to show intent and then you

481
00:17:23,730 --> 00:17:21,380
have to show you know and the part about

482
00:17:26,169 --> 00:17:23,740
the intent is and I'll ask you again

483
00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:26,179
based on what you've heard me to say

484
00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:28,850
here today is it of your opinion or

485
00:17:32,830 --> 00:17:30,650
possibly of your opinion that they

486
00:17:34,510 --> 00:17:32,840
picked specific things to hold back

487
00:17:36,580 --> 00:17:34,520
based on the information that's with

488
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inside them that would reveal some

489
00:17:40,690 --> 00:17:38,240
internal investigations that had gone

490
00:17:42,310 --> 00:17:40,700
awry Hendricks and Levi Hancock right

491
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that would seem to demonstrate the

492
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intent because how is it that it was

493
00:17:48,360 --> 00:17:46,440
just these these items right

494
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especially considering how significant

495
00:17:51,659 --> 00:17:49,809
those these are statements by guys that

496
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were some of the first ones in the room

497
00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:52,720
yeah yeah

498
00:18:03,630 --> 00:17:57,250
so someone someone could bring that

499
00:18:05,730 --> 00:18:03,640
action review-journal could do it or or

500
00:18:09,360 --> 00:18:05,740
someone else someone else you know these

501
00:18:11,370 --> 00:18:09,370
little crazy oh yeah that would be a

502
00:18:13,110 --> 00:18:11,380
very very interesting the main thing is

503
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is we need to get this information back

504
00:18:16,529 --> 00:18:15,130
in front of either the original judge

505
00:18:18,450 --> 00:18:16,539
because remember it was switched off to

506
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another judge and she went and hit her

507
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son but all this other stuff happens so

508
00:18:24,630 --> 00:18:21,549
there's been bounced around a little bit

509
00:18:27,450 --> 00:18:24,640
but we have a situation that went to the

510
00:18:28,799 --> 00:18:27,460
Supreme Court of Nevada okay the Supreme

511
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Court ruled that we were supposed to get

512
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this information with a certain time

513
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frame now the problem is is that there

514
00:18:40,049 --> 00:18:35,080
is no intent that really has to be ruled

515
00:18:42,060 --> 00:18:40,059
here okay here's the reason we didn't

516
00:18:43,710 --> 00:18:42,070
ask for specific information and they

517
00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:43,720
didn't give it to us we asked for all of

518
00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:48,490
it so if you have all of it give it up

519
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if I have a book that has 500 pages in

520
00:18:57,960 --> 00:18:54,909
it and you ask for the book and I give

521
00:19:00,149 --> 00:18:57,970
you 460 pages of it when you know I had

522
00:19:02,130 --> 00:19:00,159
the book give it up yeah they might be

523
00:19:03,419 --> 00:19:02,140
in contemporary guard lists for failure

524
00:19:05,130 --> 00:19:03,429
to do it I think the question is what is

525
00:19:06,510 --> 00:19:05,140
the sanction going to be yeah if they

526
00:19:07,529 --> 00:19:06,520
can show that it was negligence then I

527
00:19:09,360 --> 00:19:07,539
think they're gonna get a slap on the

528
00:19:11,789 --> 00:19:09,370
wrist if they can show that there was

529
00:19:14,820 --> 00:19:11,799
the intentionally right hold this stuff

530
00:19:16,769 --> 00:19:14,830
back right but either way the situation

531
00:19:18,210 --> 00:19:16,779
is this we're having to go through we're

532
00:19:19,769 --> 00:19:18,220
jumping through hoops now to get the

533
00:19:22,710 --> 00:19:19,779
little tidbits and morsels that were

534
00:19:24,649 --> 00:19:22,720
getting the time you know if we would

535
00:19:27,659 --> 00:19:24,659
had a lot of this information earlier

536
00:19:28,590 --> 00:19:27,669
now here's the big question if we would

537
00:19:30,659 --> 00:19:28,600
have had a lot of this information

538
00:19:31,769 --> 00:19:30,669
earlier before mediation started the

539
00:19:33,060 --> 00:19:31,779
process some of the information that

540
00:19:34,649 --> 00:19:33,070
I've actually given to you today that

541
00:19:37,350 --> 00:19:34,659
otherwise wasn't known back then

542
00:19:38,789 --> 00:19:37,360
would it change part of that mediation

543
00:19:39,899 --> 00:19:38,799
where they have more ammunition to go in

544
00:19:43,470 --> 00:19:39,909
there with to get more money for the

545
00:19:46,350 --> 00:19:43,480
victims mm-hmm now if you think about

546
00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:46,360
that for a minute if if sheriff Lombardo

547
00:19:50,310 --> 00:19:48,490
by his inaction and by the fact that he

548
00:19:52,409 --> 00:19:50,320
you know whether or not he's in contempt

549
00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:52,419
or not by him leading the Sheriff's

550
00:19:57,389 --> 00:19:54,970
Department and knowing he's under a

551
00:19:59,510 --> 00:19:57,399
court order the Supreme not just some

552
00:20:02,120 --> 00:19:59,520
court order a Supreme Court

553
00:20:03,380 --> 00:20:02,130
order to telling him to give us all of

554
00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:03,390
the information that we're supposed to

555
00:20:08,450 --> 00:20:05,570
get and he doesn't give that information

556
00:20:09,830 --> 00:20:08,460
then doesn't that tell you that maybe by

557
00:20:11,420 --> 00:20:09,840
him trickling out and picking and

558
00:20:13,430 --> 00:20:11,430
choosing which information goes out when

559
00:20:15,710 --> 00:20:13,440
that he can push some of the information

560
00:20:18,350 --> 00:20:15,720
beyond the time of the mediation that

561
00:20:20,750 --> 00:20:18,360
way those monies amounts are reduced and

562
00:20:22,550 --> 00:20:20,760
by I don't know order of a toner 50

563
00:20:24,140 --> 00:20:22,560
million or 50 million maybe a hundred

564
00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:24,150
dollars maybe a dollar doesn't make any

565
00:20:29,510 --> 00:20:26,250
difference the amount the fact is that

566
00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:29,520
by him pushing that data coming out of

567
00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:32,010
there beyond the mediation time which we

568
00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:33,450
are obviously in that time frame

569
00:20:39,890 --> 00:20:36,810
basically now then that affects the

570
00:20:41,570 --> 00:20:39,900
outcome been effects that's a theory my

571
00:20:44,360 --> 00:20:41,580
theory is he's about protecting the

572
00:20:46,940 --> 00:20:44,370
police more than about protecting MGM

573
00:20:48,620 --> 00:20:46,950
he's proof of that yeah okay so nothing

574
00:20:50,120 --> 00:20:48,630
you want to talk about was the glass and

575
00:20:52,430 --> 00:20:50,130
you brought glass with you as you did

576
00:20:53,660 --> 00:20:52,440
the the last time first thing I want to

577
00:20:56,150 --> 00:20:53,670
ask about the glass because Michael and

578
00:20:58,880 --> 00:20:56,160
I were talking about this he first

579
00:21:02,390 --> 00:20:58,890
drilled out the glass is that correct is

580
00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:02,400
that where he cut the glass no no he had

581
00:21:05,420 --> 00:21:03,810
a hammer with him and he hammered out

582
00:21:07,580 --> 00:21:05,430
the glass now whether or not hand

583
00:21:10,100 --> 00:21:07,590
hammered out the internal you know the

584
00:21:11,540 --> 00:21:10,110
the glasses and panes like this yeah is

585
00:21:12,350 --> 00:21:11,550
that bulletproof glass by the way

586
00:21:14,030 --> 00:21:12,360
absolutely not

587
00:21:15,740 --> 00:21:14,040
not okay not at all it's just not

588
00:21:17,390 --> 00:21:15,750
laminated or anything and there is

589
00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:17,400
videos that came out in the beginning

590
00:21:21,410 --> 00:21:19,170
and still to this day people believe

591
00:21:24,170 --> 00:21:21,420
that these are like the term hurricane

592
00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:24,180
windows or security window B's double

593
00:21:27,860 --> 00:21:25,890
pane whether it's in the Eagle to do

594
00:21:29,570 --> 00:21:27,870
that you can't have those with type of

595
00:21:32,150 --> 00:21:29,580
windows because our department has to be

596
00:21:34,790 --> 00:21:32,160
able to get inside okay and people have

597
00:21:36,050 --> 00:21:34,800
to get out if necessary so you can't

598
00:21:38,690 --> 00:21:36,060
have people staying there

599
00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:38,700
you know and I don't want to create a

600
00:21:43,130 --> 00:21:40,410
picture for people but if the buildings

601
00:21:44,930 --> 00:21:43,140
on fire you either need to get out or

602
00:21:46,670 --> 00:21:44,940
create so you're saying glass at a

603
00:21:49,580 --> 00:21:46,680
building like that needs to be breakable

604
00:21:52,100 --> 00:21:49,590
absolutely absolutely absolutely

605
00:21:56,540 --> 00:21:52,110
it can't I mean is there's probably no

606
00:21:59,150 --> 00:21:56,550
such thing as unbreakable glass there is

607
00:22:01,190 --> 00:21:59,160
unbreakable glass but there's there's

608
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:01,200
different levels of how the glass works

609
00:22:04,340 --> 00:22:02,730
obviously in the in the old days it was

610
00:22:06,020 --> 00:22:04,350
just the thickness of the glass that was

611
00:22:08,210 --> 00:22:06,030
determined but it was all plate glass

612
00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:08,220
plate glasses glass that's made by

613
00:22:12,350 --> 00:22:10,890
formed over like like a liquid and so

614
00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:12,360
the glass is poured over the top and

615
00:22:15,530 --> 00:22:12,570
then

616
00:22:18,940 --> 00:22:15,540
it forms that way tempered glass is

617
00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:18,950
glass that is just heat treated over

618
00:22:23,870 --> 00:22:21,570
from from like a bending or a torching

619
00:22:26,270 --> 00:22:23,880
issue so what happens is the the glass

620
00:22:28,970 --> 00:22:26,280
when you break a tempered glass and

621
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:28,980
breaks into hundreds and thousands of

622
00:22:31,460 --> 00:22:29,850
tiny little pieces

623
00:22:33,650 --> 00:22:31,470
that's the glass when you're driving

624
00:22:35,900 --> 00:22:33,660
down the road your passenger and your

625
00:22:38,270 --> 00:22:35,910
driver side windows your roll up windows

626
00:22:40,310 --> 00:22:38,280
that's tempered glass shower doors I

627
00:22:42,170 --> 00:22:40,320
know that because shattered all over my

628
00:22:43,370 --> 00:22:42,180
bathtub there you go and you saw how

629
00:22:44,420 --> 00:22:43,380
many pieces were laying there on the

630
00:22:46,370 --> 00:22:44,430
floor when that happened then they all

631
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:46,380
look just like that right there

632
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:48,690
so that glass it makes that now the

633
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:50,730
glass that's on your windshield that is

634
00:22:54,530 --> 00:22:52,890
different that is lemonade lated glass

635
00:22:56,420 --> 00:22:54,540
that glass you can stand there a new

636
00:22:57,710 --> 00:22:56,430
hammer and ball tin you use sledge

637
00:22:59,420 --> 00:22:57,720
hammer whatever you want to do you can

638
00:23:01,130 --> 00:22:59,430
shoot through it and it's not going to

639
00:23:02,420 --> 00:23:01,140
shatter the reason being is if you're

640
00:23:03,710 --> 00:23:02,430
driving down the road and the rock flies

641
00:23:04,910 --> 00:23:03,720
up from a car in front of you and hits

642
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:04,920
your glass you don't want you know

643
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:06,570
thousands of pieces of glass coming in

644
00:23:10,490 --> 00:23:08,610
your car so that's why they switched to

645
00:23:11,990 --> 00:23:10,500
that type of glass so it's three main

646
00:23:15,470 --> 00:23:12,000
types of glass you got your plate glass

647
00:23:17,090 --> 00:23:15,480
your you guys tempered glass and then

648
00:23:18,860 --> 00:23:17,100
you have your safety or a laminated

649
00:23:20,180 --> 00:23:18,870
glass now that a lot of people thought

650
00:23:21,830 --> 00:23:20,190
it was safety laminated glass on the

651
00:23:23,390 --> 00:23:21,840
windows up there because they saw the

652
00:23:25,310 --> 00:23:23,400
gold film and they thought well maybe

653
00:23:27,050 --> 00:23:25,320
that's the laminate that's it but that's

654
00:23:29,690 --> 00:23:27,060
not the case they go film what you can

655
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:29,700
see here is micro-thin okay so it was

656
00:23:34,940 --> 00:23:31,170
tempered glass and tempered glass yep

657
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:34,950
yep and by the way no alarm on it are

658
00:23:39,380 --> 00:23:37,170
you aware of the glass ever being

659
00:23:42,230 --> 00:23:39,390
alarmed so that if they wish they would

660
00:23:44,210 --> 00:23:42,240
never put they would never put a because

661
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:44,220
it would be cost-prohibitive think of

662
00:23:47,660 --> 00:23:46,170
the number of glass panels on these are

663
00:23:49,430 --> 00:23:47,670
good they're called lights the the

664
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:49,440
panel's of red lights the number of

665
00:23:55,220 --> 00:23:51,930
lights that are panels that are on that

666
00:23:57,140 --> 00:23:55,230
building now that's called a cascade or

667
00:23:58,400 --> 00:23:57,150
something or a waterfall type cascade is

668
00:24:00,230 --> 00:23:58,410
how they call that glass because it's

669
00:24:01,790 --> 00:24:00,240
all like one sheet coming down that

670
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:01,800
looks like but it's multiple sheets

671
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:03,210
they're not going to put individual

672
00:24:07,070 --> 00:24:05,250
senses on that so how do you come up how

673
00:24:08,300 --> 00:24:07,080
do you come across that to sensor that

674
00:24:10,490 --> 00:24:08,310
you put it was called a volumetric

675
00:24:12,830 --> 00:24:10,500
pressure sensor or a barometric pressure

676
00:24:15,290 --> 00:24:12,840
sensor that sorry that that pressure

677
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:15,300
sensor would actually determine a quick

678
00:24:20,420 --> 00:24:18,090
change in the barometric pressure inside

679
00:24:22,190 --> 00:24:20,430
the building because someone bust out of

680
00:24:23,390 --> 00:24:22,200
a window everybody remembers when

681
00:24:25,580 --> 00:24:23,400
something they were standing in the top

682
00:24:27,140 --> 00:24:25,590
of the stairwell inside waiting

683
00:24:29,210 --> 00:24:27,150
reach the room you could hear the wind

684
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:29,220
going by well I've been in that

685
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:31,770
stairwell many times I never heard wind

686
00:24:34,490 --> 00:24:33,210
the reason why I didn't hear wind is

687
00:24:36,890 --> 00:24:34,500
because there was nowhere for the wind

688
00:24:38,090 --> 00:24:36,900
to go there was no broken windows so

689
00:24:40,940 --> 00:24:38,100
anyone that says that the windows were

690
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:40,950
not broken before the breach all you got

691
00:24:45,830 --> 00:24:44,490
to do is listen to the audio of the

692
00:24:49,549 --> 00:24:45,840
sound of the wind coming through that

693
00:24:50,990 --> 00:24:49,559
hallway when the officer sustained you

694
00:24:52,789 --> 00:24:51,000
so you could theoretically have some

695
00:24:54,260 --> 00:24:52,799
alarm that's associated with barometric

696
00:24:55,940 --> 00:24:54,270
pressure which would indicate that

697
00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:55,950
somebody broke this window and then an

698
00:24:59,090 --> 00:24:57,690
alarm would go off you know don't yep

699
00:25:02,840 --> 00:24:59,100
you aware of any hotels that have

700
00:25:04,460 --> 00:25:02,850
implemented that no I I'm not aware of

701
00:25:06,350 --> 00:25:04,470
Mandalay Bay having that at all so he

702
00:25:08,149 --> 00:25:06,360
hammered the glass one thing Michael and

703
00:25:10,130 --> 00:25:08,159
I were just questioned why didn't just

704
00:25:11,930 --> 00:25:10,140
shoot through the glass well would you I

705
00:25:16,130 --> 00:25:11,940
would be concerned it's gonna ricochet

706
00:25:18,860 --> 00:25:16,140
well you know but I'm not an expert but

707
00:25:21,350 --> 00:25:18,870
I'm technically I guess I wouldn't be

708
00:25:24,019 --> 00:25:21,360
either but I'm on board say yes there's

709
00:25:26,180 --> 00:25:24,029
a risk that bullet ricochet well keep in

710
00:25:29,330 --> 00:25:26,190
mind not necessarily ricochet but yes

711
00:25:31,310 --> 00:25:29,340
but also you're you know I don't know

712
00:25:34,220 --> 00:25:31,320
whether paddock knew or whoever the

713
00:25:35,950 --> 00:25:34,230
shooter was knew that shooting out that

714
00:25:39,649 --> 00:25:35,960
window would cause the glass to go out

715
00:25:41,450 --> 00:25:39,659
or come in because the wind pressure the

716
00:25:43,399 --> 00:25:41,460
wind outside which direction was it

717
00:25:44,810 --> 00:25:43,409
going it was obviously going north east

718
00:25:47,090 --> 00:25:44,820
south or whatever but so it was going

719
00:25:48,950 --> 00:25:47,100
away but he wouldn't have known this but

720
00:25:51,049 --> 00:25:48,960
at the same time most hotels almost

721
00:25:52,909 --> 00:25:51,059
every Hotel is positively pressured it's

722
00:25:55,730 --> 00:25:52,919
positively pressured to keep bad smells

723
00:25:57,620 --> 00:25:55,740
out and to keep the guests cool and so

724
00:25:59,330 --> 00:25:57,630
forth so you believe that he broke both

725
00:26:01,100 --> 00:25:59,340
windows with a hammer first and then

726
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:01,110
shot out right and I think when the

727
00:26:05,419 --> 00:26:02,730
glass fell the reason why people don't

728
00:26:07,669 --> 00:26:05,429
see a boatload of glass inside is

729
00:26:10,580 --> 00:26:07,679
because the hotel is positively

730
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:10,590
pressured therefore the moment you break

731
00:26:14,659 --> 00:26:12,570
the outside pane or there he broke

732
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:14,669
through both panes at once or one pane

733
00:26:20,330 --> 00:26:18,450
at a time that glass the last pane which

734
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:20,340
is the pain with with the gold on it

735
00:26:24,620 --> 00:26:23,250
that pain would have busted to the

736
00:26:27,139 --> 00:26:24,630
outside because of the positive pressure

737
00:26:28,730 --> 00:26:27,149
inside the rooms obviously some of the

738
00:26:36,980 --> 00:26:28,740
glass would fell inside okay so what do

739
00:26:38,649 --> 00:26:36,990
we want to say today about the glass the

740
00:26:42,940 --> 00:26:38,659
main thing about the glass

741
00:26:45,129 --> 00:26:42,950
is that to answer people's questions

742
00:26:47,859 --> 00:26:45,139
there's so many lingering questions

743
00:26:49,869 --> 00:26:47,869
about when the glass was broken okay

744
00:26:51,820 --> 00:26:49,879
whether or not Steven Pettit could do it

745
00:26:53,710 --> 00:26:51,830
now what I was going to do is bring some

746
00:26:55,589 --> 00:26:53,720
glass over and we can still do this and

747
00:26:58,839 --> 00:26:55,599
we can actually break the glass together

748
00:27:00,879 --> 00:26:58,849
just to show you how easy it actually is

749
00:27:03,219 --> 00:27:00,889
it's not difficult to break this glass I

750
00:27:06,159 --> 00:27:03,229
break in hundreds of panes of this type

751
00:27:08,499 --> 00:27:06,169
or similar types of glass just to get a

752
00:27:10,060 --> 00:27:08,509
feel for what it would take to do it now

753
00:27:11,950 --> 00:27:10,070
whether or not he practice breaking

754
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:11,960
glass I seriously don't know that remind

755
00:27:15,430 --> 00:27:13,129
me of a question because Campos said

756
00:27:16,779 --> 00:27:15,440
that he heard drilling mm-hmm was there

757
00:27:17,229 --> 00:27:16,789
drilling or that was just him hearing

758
00:27:18,700 --> 00:27:17,239
the shots

759
00:27:22,029 --> 00:27:18,710
well there's drilling but whether now

760
00:27:24,129 --> 00:27:22,039
was he drilling into the l-bracket was

761
00:27:25,899 --> 00:27:24,139
he drilling something does some sort of

762
00:27:27,639 --> 00:27:25,909
support to hold the wires up that we're

763
00:27:29,139 --> 00:27:27,649
going between the two rooms so that they

764
00:27:31,810 --> 00:27:29,149
weren't it was a drill found

765
00:27:33,070 --> 00:27:31,820
oh yeah there's Gerald's found me if you

766
00:27:34,659 --> 00:27:33,080
remember that one one of the officers

767
00:27:36,909 --> 00:27:34,669
during the 60 minutes and interview he

768
00:27:39,519 --> 00:27:36,919
actually says yeah there's Charles and

769
00:27:42,129 --> 00:27:39,529
we found we found lots of tools some in

770
00:27:45,129 --> 00:27:42,139
drills and it's the facial expressions

771
00:27:49,299 --> 00:27:45,139
was quite quite animated anyway there's

772
00:27:52,299 --> 00:27:49,309
lots of bits it was a vibrator yeah

773
00:27:53,950 --> 00:27:52,309
there was one of those fan I don't know

774
00:27:55,450 --> 00:27:53,960
who that was for or if he knew Mary Lou

775
00:28:00,729 --> 00:27:55,460
Dan Lee was not going to be there with

776
00:28:05,049 --> 00:28:00,739
him maybe I don't know I guess but I'm

777
00:28:09,399 --> 00:28:05,059
not gonna go there so you think that he

778
00:28:10,690 --> 00:28:09,409
he took a hammer to both windows yeah

779
00:28:12,430 --> 00:28:10,700
and the reason the reason why I say that

780
00:28:14,169 --> 00:28:12,440
is because if you look at the pattern

781
00:28:16,239 --> 00:28:14,179
now there's another person that actually

782
00:28:20,830 --> 00:28:16,249
brought this to my attention he goes by

783
00:28:22,719 --> 00:28:20,840
the name of 10 online and when he and I

784
00:28:26,619 --> 00:28:22,729
talked back in the very beginning of

785
00:28:28,719 --> 00:28:26,629
this this discussion 10 I and he was

786
00:28:31,060 --> 00:28:28,729
telling me cuz he used to he used to be

787
00:28:33,279 --> 00:28:31,070
he used to hang glass and so he was

788
00:28:35,979 --> 00:28:33,289
giving me some insight on to you know

789
00:28:37,719 --> 00:28:35,989
how the glasses is put into the into the

790
00:28:39,729 --> 00:28:37,729
window frame and you know what's what's

791
00:28:41,409 --> 00:28:39,739
between the panes and the thickness of

792
00:28:44,589 --> 00:28:41,419
us he knew all of this information and

793
00:28:46,810 --> 00:28:44,599
had no idea I actually had glass so he

794
00:28:48,219 --> 00:28:46,820
he was watching a video that I was in

795
00:28:49,779 --> 00:28:48,229
and I was showing people the glass and

796
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:49,789
he went oh my god someone actually has

797
00:28:53,770 --> 00:28:52,130
glass because no one ever really talked

798
00:28:55,060 --> 00:28:53,780
but I actually have the glass from the

799
00:28:56,590 --> 00:28:55,070
room people wondering how in the hell

800
00:28:58,690 --> 00:28:56,600
did you get it well that's another story

801
00:29:01,180 --> 00:28:58,700
I think we ready cover this oh yeah this

802
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:01,190
was found mmm yeah some of its gold and

803
00:29:04,270 --> 00:29:02,810
some of its clear yep right yep and

804
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:04,280
there's one piece of glass in there

805
00:29:07,750 --> 00:29:06,410
that's gonna answer the question if you

806
00:29:09,550 --> 00:29:07,760
look at the largest piece of glass in

807
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:09,560
your Center for front there you're gonna

808
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:13,010
see something this one in it that one

809
00:29:17,110 --> 00:29:14,930
right there now what happens you'll see

810
00:29:18,850 --> 00:29:17,120
the gold has been rubbed off because we

811
00:29:20,290 --> 00:29:18,860
did an extensive test on it but then

812
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:20,300
you'll see some gold that's still on it

813
00:29:23,410 --> 00:29:21,890
and we'll give you some close-ups Ickes

814
00:29:26,010 --> 00:29:23,420
I have a portable microscope here that

815
00:29:28,210 --> 00:29:26,020
if you want to use it to but that glass

816
00:29:32,110 --> 00:29:28,220
there if you look at it very carefully

817
00:29:35,130 --> 00:29:32,120
show some very social consensus rings

818
00:29:37,870 --> 00:29:35,140
now look for an impact point you having

819
00:29:40,300 --> 00:29:37,880
not much knowledge of glass and impact

820
00:29:44,230 --> 00:29:40,310
points where would you think that glass

821
00:29:46,270 --> 00:29:44,240
was hit this particular piece where was

822
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:46,280
it hit well you would think that it was

823
00:29:49,330 --> 00:29:47,930
hit at the part that's broken mm-hmm

824
00:29:50,890 --> 00:29:49,340
well if you look at it you'll see

825
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:50,900
there's a certain point that actually

826
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:53,810
shows some concentric rings and you know

827
00:29:58,120 --> 00:29:55,970
whether or not that glass is actually a

828
00:30:00,820 --> 00:29:58,130
piece of glass that was hit by the

829
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:00,830
hammer I cannot sit here and tell you

830
00:30:04,510 --> 00:30:02,810
but it's based on my opinion in the

831
00:30:06,580 --> 00:30:04,520
opinion of a few other people have seen

832
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:06,590
it no one has said no now tell me again

833
00:30:11,220 --> 00:30:08,810
why is some of it gold and some of it's

834
00:30:13,540 --> 00:30:11,230
not gold there's two panes of glass on

835
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:13,550
that they use the glass is made by a

836
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:15,170
company called Viereck on Varick on is

837
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:17,810
up in Canada is the parent company the

838
00:30:21,070 --> 00:30:19,730
glass was actually put in to Mandalay

839
00:30:23,110 --> 00:30:21,080
Bay by another company called Sierra

840
00:30:25,870 --> 00:30:23,120
glass they're out of business but the

841
00:30:28,090 --> 00:30:25,880
glass is two panes you have one quarter

842
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:28,100
inch piece of glass that is your

843
00:30:32,770 --> 00:30:30,290
interior when you walk up to the glass

844
00:30:35,590 --> 00:30:32,780
enzyme and obey your interior frame is

845
00:30:37,390 --> 00:30:35,600
going to be clear then you're gonna have

846
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:37,400
a half inch of dead air space that dead

847
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:39,170
air space is generally filled with argon

848
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:41,810
argon is the third most abundant noble

849
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:43,730
one of the noble gases in the atmosphere

850
00:30:48,340 --> 00:30:46,130
so you have nitrogen oxygen argon is

851
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:48,350
your next one so then you have argon put

852
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:49,730
in the middle then you have the back

853
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:51,650
part of the next piece of glass which is

854
00:30:55,060 --> 00:30:52,970
the same as the first but it has a

855
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:55,070
laminate film put on it that not

856
00:30:59,920 --> 00:30:56,450
laminate I'm sorry to take that board

857
00:31:03,370 --> 00:30:59,930
back does it it's actually a film a 24

858
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:03,380
karat gold film that's they're not

859
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:04,970
filming I keep saying the word film but

860
00:31:09,220 --> 00:31:06,890
it's deposited on the glass to give it

861
00:31:11,350 --> 00:31:09,230
that look but it also makes the glass

862
00:31:12,730 --> 00:31:11,360
break a little different if you if

863
00:31:14,710 --> 00:31:12,740
everybody remembers seeing the glass

864
00:31:16,090 --> 00:31:14,720
that was in the rooms you saw one you

865
00:31:17,140 --> 00:31:16,100
know part of the glass in you if you

866
00:31:18,550 --> 00:31:17,150
look right there that glass you'll

867
00:31:21,130 --> 00:31:18,560
notice the gold pieces are slightly

868
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:21,140
elongated or larger than your

869
00:31:25,660 --> 00:31:24,050
corresponding clear pieces of glass and

870
00:31:26,470 --> 00:31:25,670
clear pieces of glass we're much more

871
00:31:30,010 --> 00:31:26,480
abundant

872
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:30,020
for me to get because the gold pieces

873
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:33,170
were larger and fell more directly in

874
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:36,490
front of the building except that one

875
00:31:41,740 --> 00:31:39,050
that one piece of glass is the only

876
00:31:44,860 --> 00:31:41,750
piece of glass that I found that was 9

877
00:31:47,230 --> 00:31:44,870
or 10 feet out further from every other

878
00:31:48,700 --> 00:31:47,240
piece of glass I found now at the time I

879
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:48,710
didn't think much of it I didn't think

880
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:51,050
much of it at all and then I started

881
00:31:55,270 --> 00:31:53,450
thinking wait a second how in the world

882
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:55,280
did this one piece of glass get to be

883
00:31:58,900 --> 00:31:57,290
that much further out did someone pick

884
00:32:01,270 --> 00:31:58,910
it up and drop it did it did the wind

885
00:32:03,010 --> 00:32:01,280
come by but it's larger than all the

886
00:32:04,570 --> 00:32:03,020
other pieces of last you really have a

887
00:32:06,460 --> 00:32:04,580
lot of time on your hands like it's a

888
00:32:08,170 --> 00:32:06,470
little bit a little bit it's almost like

889
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:08,180
the matrix it's like because I wanted to

890
00:32:11,260 --> 00:32:09,650
keep all this investigation internal

891
00:32:13,630 --> 00:32:11,270
myself and only involve the very few

892
00:32:15,370 --> 00:32:13,640
select people outside to get involved

893
00:32:16,690 --> 00:32:15,380
with it because I didn't want leaks you

894
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:16,700
know you know I'm not like Sheriff

895
00:32:20,410 --> 00:32:18,410
Lombardo who allows leaks to happen I

896
00:32:23,770 --> 00:32:20,420
didn't want that happen but that one

897
00:32:25,270 --> 00:32:23,780
piece of glass I calculated and you know

898
00:32:26,020 --> 00:32:25,280
this is gonna be stupid this is really

899
00:32:27,580 --> 00:32:26,030
funny

900
00:32:29,890 --> 00:32:27,590
I actually used a video of software

901
00:32:30,850 --> 00:32:29,900
program the audience is riveted on the

902
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:30,860
edge of the seat because I want to know

903
00:32:36,310 --> 00:32:33,170
how this piece of fondant work okay so

904
00:32:38,470 --> 00:32:36,320
that one piece of glass either a it was

905
00:32:40,150 --> 00:32:38,480
large enough to where it caught more of

906
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:40,160
the wind and the wind was able to pull

907
00:32:43,930 --> 00:32:41,810
it further away okay

908
00:32:49,090 --> 00:32:43,940
and I found out no that's not the answer

909
00:32:50,470 --> 00:32:49,100
or B it was actually hit so I started

910
00:32:51,790 --> 00:32:50,480
paying more attention to that piece of

911
00:32:53,620 --> 00:32:51,800
glass that you're holding in your hand

912
00:32:55,690 --> 00:32:53,630
right now and as I paid more attention

913
00:32:57,370 --> 00:32:55,700
to it I started looking at closer and

914
00:32:58,810 --> 00:32:57,380
closer so I put it underneath the

915
00:33:00,280 --> 00:32:58,820
microscope which I have the microscope

916
00:33:03,340 --> 00:33:00,290
with me if you guys want to film some

917
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:03,350
b-roll later and I looked at it and then

918
00:33:09,190 --> 00:33:06,050
I sent those images off to glass experts

919
00:33:12,130 --> 00:33:09,200
I did not tell them what the glass was

920
00:33:15,700 --> 00:33:12,140
or where it was from I asked them point

921
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:15,710
blank is this glass was this glass shot

922
00:33:22,130 --> 00:33:18,090
or was this glass hit

923
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:22,140
and from which direction was it hit if

924
00:33:28,220 --> 00:33:26,010
it was hit or was this an impact after

925
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:28,230
the fact after the glass was broken out

926
00:33:33,049 --> 00:33:30,330
could this piece of glass have caused

927
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:33,059
has that type of hit had been caused by

928
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:35,370
hitting something say a blunt object on

929
00:33:42,590 --> 00:33:39,570
the ground okay about 80% of my

930
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:42,600
responses came back that piece of glass

931
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:45,570
was hit by a blunt object most likely a

932
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:47,730
ball peen hammer of some sort

933
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:51,090
okay of some sort how many experts did

934
00:33:55,190 --> 00:33:53,370
you send this thing to I sent well I

935
00:33:56,779 --> 00:33:55,200
sent it to three know kind of like known

936
00:33:59,149 --> 00:33:56,789
experts and then of course you have your

937
00:34:00,830 --> 00:33:59,159
your YouTube crowd of experts and your

938
00:34:02,510 --> 00:34:00,840
Facebook crowd of experts that all

939
00:34:04,159 --> 00:34:02,520
looked at it as well as a couple of them

940
00:34:06,799 --> 00:34:04,169
did but I wanted to keep it within the

941
00:34:09,500 --> 00:34:06,809
realm of reason and then of course me my

942
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:09,510
own thing just staring at it for going

943
00:34:14,930 --> 00:34:11,010
on almost two years now

944
00:34:16,730 --> 00:34:14,940
and trying to figure out I'd to debunk

945
00:34:18,169 --> 00:34:16,740
myself I looked at something that I put

946
00:34:20,359 --> 00:34:18,179
out there and go okay I'm gonna put this

947
00:34:22,879 --> 00:34:20,369
out someone's gonna try to debunk me and

948
00:34:25,339 --> 00:34:22,889
let me do bunk myself before someone

949
00:34:27,770 --> 00:34:25,349
else gets that opportunity I couldn't

950
00:34:29,599 --> 00:34:27,780
debunk that the only thing they actually

951
00:34:31,849 --> 00:34:29,609
started you know coming out that made

952
00:34:34,970 --> 00:34:31,859
sense was that that piece of glass was

953
00:34:37,490 --> 00:34:34,980
actually struck and so he would have had

954
00:34:39,169 --> 00:34:37,500
to first break the first pane and then

955
00:34:41,030 --> 00:34:39,179
break the second the gold paint not

956
00:34:43,099 --> 00:34:41,040
necessarily you think he could I've been

957
00:34:45,530 --> 00:34:43,109
able to put okay I've been able to

958
00:34:47,180 --> 00:34:45,540
duplicate both now I've been able to

959
00:34:49,070 --> 00:34:47,190
actually have the pane of glass still

960
00:34:51,169 --> 00:34:49,080
that I've only broke the interior pane

961
00:34:53,750 --> 00:34:51,179
and it's still sitting there all cracked

962
00:34:55,430 --> 00:34:53,760
with just it's ridiculously look look

963
00:34:56,329 --> 00:34:55,440
looking as far as just the number of

964
00:34:57,290 --> 00:34:56,339
cracks that go through it and then you

965
00:35:00,349 --> 00:34:57,300
come around the other side and it's

966
00:35:01,730 --> 00:35:00,359
perfectly you know no problem at all you

967
00:35:03,260 --> 00:35:01,740
hear a slight suction sound or whatever

968
00:35:04,609 --> 00:35:03,270
whenever you hit it because that argon

969
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:04,619
section in the middle is a little bit

970
00:35:08,780 --> 00:35:05,490
different pressurization

971
00:35:11,570 --> 00:35:08,790
why does my shower door shatter the

972
00:35:14,180 --> 00:35:11,580
entire door came down as opposed to

973
00:35:15,950 --> 00:35:14,190
these windows that kind of they didn't

974
00:35:18,020 --> 00:35:15,960
the entire window didn't shatter the gee

975
00:35:20,450 --> 00:35:18,030
tire window did shatter the clear window

976
00:35:22,700 --> 00:35:20,460
oh the clear winner did okay now the

977
00:35:25,010 --> 00:35:22,710
only thing holding the exterior pane

978
00:35:25,670 --> 00:35:25,020
together that created there's larger

979
00:35:27,170 --> 00:35:25,680
shards of glass

980
00:35:29,329 --> 00:35:27,180
everybody's looking through you saw that

981
00:35:31,740 --> 00:35:29,339
larger shards right well that extra

982
00:35:34,050 --> 00:35:31,750
deposit of phone on the outline

983
00:35:36,720 --> 00:35:34,060
film I keep saying the word film but

984
00:35:38,070 --> 00:35:36,730
it's the extra deposit of 24 causes it

985
00:35:39,900 --> 00:35:38,080
not to shoot is it not to shatter the

986
00:35:41,700 --> 00:35:39,910
same way as the other ones as you can

987
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:41,710
see right there okay we're talking way

988
00:35:45,900 --> 00:35:43,810
more about glass than I ever thought I

989
00:35:47,780 --> 00:35:45,910
would but we could do a whole it or not

990
00:35:50,370 --> 00:35:47,790
I've got another question

991
00:35:52,770 --> 00:35:50,380
so then we'll move it on

992
00:35:56,430 --> 00:35:52,780
I feel the two-part episode commence yes

993
00:35:58,590 --> 00:35:56,440
a two-part glass episode if you're

994
00:36:01,500 --> 00:35:58,600
saying that the outside pane didn't

995
00:36:03,330 --> 00:36:01,510
shatter because of the gold coating mm

996
00:36:05,220 --> 00:36:03,340
well it did but just didn't shatter into

997
00:36:08,370 --> 00:36:05,230
pieces yet correct

998
00:36:11,250 --> 00:36:08,380
wouldn't a lot of the inside pane then

999
00:36:13,020 --> 00:36:11,260
have wound up in the room because yes

1000
00:36:14,340 --> 00:36:13,030
yep okay I thought you're saying though

1001
00:36:15,930 --> 00:36:14,350
people were surprised that they found

1002
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:15,940
very little glasses they didn't find as

1003
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:17,890
much as they thought they would but yes

1004
00:36:22,710 --> 00:36:20,170
they did logic would dictate that if you

1005
00:36:25,350 --> 00:36:22,720
break two panes of glass one in interior

1006
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:25,360
one exterior but as you hit it you have

1007
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:27,130
several forces going into play one

1008
00:36:31,470 --> 00:36:29,170
tempered glass is glass under pressure

1009
00:36:33,540 --> 00:36:31,480
the glass is constantly under pressure

1010
00:36:35,610 --> 00:36:33,550
so if you just tap it yeah if anyone's

1011
00:36:37,170 --> 00:36:35,620
ever moved or if you've said you broke

1012
00:36:38,970 --> 00:36:37,180
your shower door right yeah you were

1013
00:36:40,350 --> 00:36:38,980
probably amazed at what caused it to

1014
00:36:42,210 --> 00:36:40,360
break probably something real simple

1015
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:42,220
nothing major went through it you

1016
00:36:44,220 --> 00:36:43,330
probably just a tap in the wrong

1017
00:36:45,540 --> 00:36:44,230
location right

1018
00:36:47,370 --> 00:36:45,550
that's how tempered glass works if

1019
00:36:48,390 --> 00:36:47,380
you're a tempered glass and solar anyone

1020
00:36:50,550 --> 00:36:48,400
watching this knows anything about

1021
00:36:52,590 --> 00:36:50,560
tempered glass if you move it and just

1022
00:36:55,470 --> 00:36:52,600
lay it down on concrete the wrong way

1023
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:55,480
and just tap it it will explode in your

1024
00:36:59,970 --> 00:36:57,490
hands and I've had this happen many

1025
00:37:02,610 --> 00:36:59,980
times so that's meant to do that because

1026
00:37:03,690 --> 00:37:02,620
the glass is under pressure all the way

1027
00:37:05,820 --> 00:37:03,700
throughout the glass that's why it

1028
00:37:07,830 --> 00:37:05,830
breaks into so many different shards now

1029
00:37:09,180 --> 00:37:07,840
the glass that has the emotion on it

1030
00:37:12,990 --> 00:37:09,190
which is X I guess the better term

1031
00:37:15,330 --> 00:37:13,000
emulsion right word we'll go back and

1032
00:37:19,740 --> 00:37:15,340
edit that back in yeah not film emulsion

1033
00:37:22,740 --> 00:37:19,750
yeah you'll see my mouth moving but you

1034
00:37:25,350 --> 00:37:22,750
have that and so that emulsion it's on

1035
00:37:27,900 --> 00:37:25,360
the outside of the glasses apparently

1036
00:37:31,130 --> 00:37:27,910
enough to cause it to break it different

1037
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:31,140
sizes okay thank you Mike wow that was

1038
00:37:36,990 --> 00:37:33,930
what I needed to know about the

1039
00:37:38,990 --> 00:37:37,000
autopsies okay that's a whole other

1040
00:37:43,110 --> 00:37:39,000
that's another gonna be another episode

1041
00:37:45,290 --> 00:37:43,120
on this subject I'm going to bring in

1042
00:37:47,240 --> 00:37:45,300
some information the

1043
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:47,250
I have because a lot of the information

1044
00:37:50,900 --> 00:37:48,810
I'm getting is basically either factual

1045
00:37:54,290 --> 00:37:50,910
or it's evidence that I have direct

1046
00:37:56,720 --> 00:37:54,300
knowledge of I stumbled across the

1047
00:37:58,670 --> 00:37:56,730
autopsy information that I'm about to

1048
00:38:00,710 --> 00:37:58,680
give to you in several different ways

1049
00:38:05,359 --> 00:38:00,720
one of which in the very beginning of

1050
00:38:06,230 --> 00:38:05,369
the investigation I was asked to now I

1051
00:38:08,090 --> 00:38:06,240
have to slow down

1052
00:38:12,050 --> 00:38:08,100
I got be very careful how it word this I

1053
00:38:17,570 --> 00:38:12,060
was asked to get information that would

1054
00:38:20,900 --> 00:38:17,580
assist on knowing about the drugs that

1055
00:38:23,390 --> 00:38:20,910
he took when he took them were they

1056
00:38:25,460 --> 00:38:23,400
abused can I interview people that would

1057
00:38:27,380 --> 00:38:25,470
let me know if they could tell if he was

1058
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:27,390
under the influence of one or the other

1059
00:38:32,270 --> 00:38:31,050
whether it be the the anxiety medication

1060
00:38:36,230 --> 00:38:32,280
without saying the actual name of the

1061
00:38:38,180 --> 00:38:36,240
medication or influence of alcohol or

1062
00:38:40,310 --> 00:38:38,190
both or would they be able to determine

1063
00:38:42,710 --> 00:38:40,320
or did did people think that he had a

1064
00:38:43,970 --> 00:38:42,720
dependency problem these are questions

1065
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:43,980
that were brought on everybody was

1066
00:38:48,170 --> 00:38:46,290
thinking about suing some doctors yeah

1067
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:48,180
I'm thinking about suing the entire

1068
00:38:53,240 --> 00:38:50,490
pharmaceutical community well you're not

1069
00:38:54,230 --> 00:38:53,250
the first yeah so there's some old

1070
00:38:56,720 --> 00:38:54,240
friends of mine I'd like to bring back

1071
00:38:59,750 --> 00:38:56,730
into the current fold that had done that

1072
00:39:02,330 --> 00:38:59,760
before but there might be a problem and

1073
00:39:04,430 --> 00:39:02,340
that brings up the possibility of you

1074
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:04,440
know autism and and all the other things

1075
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:07,290
we discussed earlier does it have a role

1076
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:09,090
does the drugs interact with you know

1077
00:39:11,990 --> 00:39:10,530
alcohol interacting with that does it

1078
00:39:14,180 --> 00:39:12,000
create a bigger issue for people that

1079
00:39:16,340 --> 00:39:14,190
are autistic a whole nother realm to get

1080
00:39:19,250 --> 00:39:16,350
into but as far as the autopsy is

1081
00:39:22,670 --> 00:39:19,260
concerned I'm gonna I'm gonna we'll go

1082
00:39:28,370 --> 00:39:22,680
into it this way how many sets of

1083
00:39:31,849 --> 00:39:28,380
autopsies do you think we're done 1 or 2

1084
00:39:33,109 --> 00:39:31,859
1 or 2 sets of optimises okay if you're

1085
00:39:34,460 --> 00:39:33,119
an accountant and you're kind of a

1086
00:39:35,870 --> 00:39:34,470
crooked accountant and you're cooking

1087
00:39:38,630 --> 00:39:35,880
the books you have two sets of books

1088
00:39:40,550 --> 00:39:38,640
right okay so when we were given the

1089
00:39:42,230 --> 00:39:40,560
autopsies when those autopsies reports

1090
00:39:43,970 --> 00:39:42,240
came out on all fifty-eight of the

1091
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:43,980
victims not obviously the paddock

1092
00:39:45,980 --> 00:39:45,570
autopsy which is a whole episode of its

1093
00:39:47,930 --> 00:39:45,990
own

1094
00:39:49,720 --> 00:39:47,940
they have 58 autopsies that were given

1095
00:39:53,720 --> 00:39:49,730
to us how many pages were in the autopsy

1096
00:39:55,670 --> 00:39:53,730
each one very few okay granted we didn't

1097
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:55,680
get the the benefit of seeing all of the

1098
00:39:58,070 --> 00:39:57,090
pictures and stuff like this and I get

1099
00:39:59,480 --> 00:39:58,080
that part I get

1100
00:40:01,910 --> 00:39:59,490
but your average autopsy is gonna be

1101
00:40:04,670 --> 00:40:01,920
somewhere maybe 40 to 80 pages in that

1102
00:40:08,690 --> 00:40:04,680
range not 5 or 10 or 13 or much like the

1103
00:40:10,490 --> 00:40:08,700
VA you report 2.5 pages so we had that

1104
00:40:12,530 --> 00:40:10,500
issue to look at now an autopsy

1105
00:40:13,390 --> 00:40:12,540
performed in 20 minutes would be really

1106
00:40:15,890 --> 00:40:13,400
amazing

1107
00:40:17,090 --> 00:40:15,900
so there's question about that so when

1108
00:40:19,700 --> 00:40:17,100
you look at the autopsy and look at the

1109
00:40:21,310 --> 00:40:19,710
time the autopsy starts autopsy ends you

1110
00:40:23,300 --> 00:40:21,320
can't do an autopsy in 20 minutes

1111
00:40:25,310 --> 00:40:23,310
there's several the autopsies they have

1112
00:40:26,720 --> 00:40:25,320
some time issues so we you know that's

1113
00:40:28,310 --> 00:40:26,730
another thing we have to look and go

1114
00:40:29,810 --> 00:40:28,320
okay why are the autopsies only taken

1115
00:40:31,370 --> 00:40:29,820
this amount of time you're sorry you

1116
00:40:33,770 --> 00:40:31,380
referring to the victims I'm preferring

1117
00:40:35,300 --> 00:40:33,780
to the victims so you have this so are

1118
00:40:37,970 --> 00:40:35,310
there two sets of autopsies that we're

1119
00:40:39,830 --> 00:40:37,980
done you know one that says 20 minutes

1120
00:40:41,300 --> 00:40:39,840
and then they do a separate autopsy for

1121
00:40:43,250 --> 00:40:41,310
the internal exam which I've never seen

1122
00:40:45,290 --> 00:40:43,260
before autopsies or autopsies so you

1123
00:40:47,090 --> 00:40:45,300
have the external exam which probably

1124
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:47,100
would take about 20 minutes maybe a

1125
00:40:50,780 --> 00:40:48,330
little bit longer because they're going

1126
00:40:52,580 --> 00:40:50,790
over the skin with with magnifying

1127
00:40:53,750 --> 00:40:52,590
glasses so to speak looking for puncture

1128
00:40:56,390 --> 00:40:53,760
holes they're looking for needle marks

1129
00:40:59,180 --> 00:40:56,400
or looking for residue they're looking

1130
00:41:00,950 --> 00:40:59,190
for anything that would be on these

1131
00:41:02,720 --> 00:41:00,960
victims but the problem is is that they

1132
00:41:04,370 --> 00:41:02,730
either they had some sort of bias

1133
00:41:06,740 --> 00:41:04,380
thinking that okay well they were all

1134
00:41:09,110 --> 00:41:06,750
part of this you know shooting but the

1135
00:41:12,710 --> 00:41:09,120
thing is is you do this on every single

1136
00:41:14,240 --> 00:41:12,720
murder case period you absolutely go

1137
00:41:15,980 --> 00:41:14,250
through the whole process and then you

1138
00:41:17,390 --> 00:41:15,990
do the internal exam the internal exam

1139
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:17,400
is you take the organs out you weigh

1140
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:19,290
them you do the toxicology do all these

1141
00:41:24,410 --> 00:41:21,930
different things and you look for the

1142
00:41:25,970 --> 00:41:24,420
reason of actual death you know did was

1143
00:41:27,890 --> 00:41:25,980
it caused by a bullet or was it caused

1144
00:41:29,810 --> 00:41:27,900
by the person being trampled that mind

1145
00:41:33,110 --> 00:41:29,820
isn't that all part of the autopsy you

1146
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:33,120
would think you would think but you're

1147
00:41:37,010 --> 00:41:35,130
saying it was not done the autopsy was

1148
00:41:38,720 --> 00:41:37,020
only 20 minutes need something some of

1149
00:41:41,060 --> 00:41:38,730
the autopsies were such of a short

1150
00:41:42,470 --> 00:41:41,070
length that the question would naturally

1151
00:41:43,730 --> 00:41:42,480
arise to anyone that's familiar with

1152
00:41:47,060 --> 00:41:43,740
looking at autopsy is it there's a

1153
00:41:49,100 --> 00:41:47,070
problem here there's a huge problem and

1154
00:41:52,660 --> 00:41:49,110
why is there a problem why were there

1155
00:41:56,180 --> 00:41:52,670
why would you bring in these

1156
00:41:58,310 --> 00:41:56,190
pathologists from other locations way

1157
00:42:01,100 --> 00:41:58,320
outside the state you know from Florida

1158
00:42:03,470 --> 00:42:01,110
Michigan and so forth you bring in at

1159
00:42:07,190 --> 00:42:03,480
least three to help you on these

1160
00:42:09,260 --> 00:42:07,200
autopsies you have 58 bodies that you

1161
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:09,270
have to autopsy over a period of the

1162
00:42:11,730 --> 00:42:11,130
next day or two or three you have to do

1163
00:42:14,460 --> 00:42:11,740
it

1164
00:42:16,020 --> 00:42:14,470
I'm gonna be a month long process so you

1165
00:42:18,870 --> 00:42:16,030
do these autopsies so they bring in

1166
00:42:21,420 --> 00:42:18,880
these three pathologists from various

1167
00:42:23,339 --> 00:42:21,430
locations why these three why not just

1168
00:42:27,570 --> 00:42:23,349
bring them in from an adjacent County or

1169
00:42:28,250 --> 00:42:27,580
somewhere nearby you know what why would

1170
00:42:31,710 --> 00:42:28,260
they do that

1171
00:42:34,890 --> 00:42:31,720
there's the rest answer we're gonna find

1172
00:42:37,140 --> 00:42:34,900
out part of it we have some good clues

1173
00:42:40,079 --> 00:42:37,150
as to what may be going on but the other

1174
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:40,089
issue is this is it possible who does

1175
00:42:44,190 --> 00:42:41,770
the the autopsies done buddy is that

1176
00:42:46,230 --> 00:42:44,200
County down by the corner and County

1177
00:42:48,150 --> 00:42:46,240
corner yeah foodon burg is the guys name

1178
00:42:50,130 --> 00:42:48,160
and I've got it was a County Coroner

1179
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:50,140
that supposedly brought in these others

1180
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:52,570
mm-hmm you know the pathologist and how

1181
00:42:56,190 --> 00:42:54,010
many pathologists worked for the County

1182
00:43:00,570 --> 00:42:56,200
Coroner I think there's four or five or

1183
00:43:02,220 --> 00:43:00,580
so maybe maybe three to five and the 58

1184
00:43:04,620 --> 00:43:02,230
autopsy reports were done by how many

1185
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:04,630
different pathologists five or six so

1186
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:05,770
you have the you have the three that

1187
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:07,290
were brought in you have the existing

1188
00:43:12,900 --> 00:43:10,450
one the your existing crew that's there

1189
00:43:14,579 --> 00:43:12,910
so to speak and then you have the issue

1190
00:43:16,829 --> 00:43:14,589
of okay so that went through these

1191
00:43:19,349 --> 00:43:16,839
autopsies relatively quickly some of the

1192
00:43:24,690 --> 00:43:19,359
autopsies we're being told did not have

1193
00:43:26,730 --> 00:43:24,700
internal exams why would someone do that

1194
00:43:29,250 --> 00:43:26,740
why would you not have an internal exam

1195
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:29,260
on a murder victim okay you pretty much

1196
00:43:34,109 --> 00:43:31,330
there's there's it's pretty much the

1197
00:43:36,540 --> 00:43:34,119
rule of it is that you do a thorough

1198
00:43:39,060 --> 00:43:36,550
exam on especially when it comes to a

1199
00:43:41,700 --> 00:43:39,070
case this important this is the largest

1200
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:41,710
mass shooting in US history someone in a

1201
00:43:47,099 --> 00:43:43,330
case like he's shooting for 10 minutes

1202
00:43:49,109 --> 00:43:47,109
so if you're in the crowd and you see

1203
00:43:51,390 --> 00:43:49,119
your ex-wife and you don't want to pay

1204
00:43:53,370 --> 00:43:51,400
alimony anymore and you got a gun on you

1205
00:43:55,170 --> 00:43:53,380
there's a crime of opportunity I'm not

1206
00:43:57,450 --> 00:43:55,180
saying that that happened I mean no way

1207
00:43:59,370 --> 00:43:57,460
or looting to that but that's a real

1208
00:44:01,200 --> 00:43:59,380
distinct possibility so you have to do

1209
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:01,210
the ballistics which we don't have and

1210
00:44:06,270 --> 00:44:03,490
we don't have the autopsies done

1211
00:44:06,660 --> 00:44:06,280
properly which we don't have this is

1212
00:44:10,050 --> 00:44:06,670
weird

1213
00:44:12,030 --> 00:44:10,060
this is this is never in history had

1214
00:44:13,770 --> 00:44:12,040
anything close to this so we don't have

1215
00:44:16,650 --> 00:44:13,780
the autopsies that seemed to be done

1216
00:44:17,370 --> 00:44:16,660
properly and we also don't have the

1217
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:17,380
ballistics

1218
00:44:21,180 --> 00:44:19,570
I keep hearing people talking about the

1219
00:44:24,270 --> 00:44:21,190
ballistics who was doing the ballistics

1220
00:44:25,950 --> 00:44:24,280
FBI so the FBI has it they just haven't

1221
00:44:28,829 --> 00:44:25,960
released it ID

1222
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:28,839
ma'am I don't know I mean I go you don't

1223
00:44:35,910 --> 00:44:31,330
know whether they did it oh I know I'm I

1224
00:44:39,329 --> 00:44:35,920
know they did it but I don't know well I

1225
00:44:43,829 --> 00:44:39,339
kind of got a good idea but where is it

1226
00:44:46,230 --> 00:44:43,839
idea as to well this rather than getting

1227
00:44:48,750 --> 00:44:46,240
into my personal knowledge into this

1228
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:48,760
which I will reveal at a later date

1229
00:44:52,620 --> 00:44:50,530
let's get into the fact that they are

1230
00:44:55,349 --> 00:44:52,630
charged with they took the lead on the

1231
00:44:57,810 --> 00:44:55,359
evidence okay to take some of the so the

1232
00:44:59,700 --> 00:44:57,820
so the LVN PD could handle their local

1233
00:45:01,349 --> 00:44:59,710
jobs their daily jobs of hey you know we

1234
00:45:03,780 --> 00:45:01,359
still got a city that we have to we have

1235
00:45:06,300 --> 00:45:03,790
to protect I get that so the FBI comes

1236
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:06,310
in and it's not necessarily a federal

1237
00:45:10,290 --> 00:45:08,410
situation here because it wasn't a

1238
00:45:11,220 --> 00:45:10,300
terrorist act so that's why we didn't

1239
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:11,230
get the Sandy Hook

1240
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:13,210
you know style report that we're used to

1241
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:16,450
seeing we got this twenty two point five

1242
00:45:20,849 --> 00:45:18,970
page BAU slash let's hire some outside

1243
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:20,859
people and it's float ten things on a

1244
00:45:25,140 --> 00:45:23,170
piece of paper and although I used to

1245
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:25,150
clean responsibility and in that BAU

1246
00:45:31,980 --> 00:45:28,570
they basically put in the conclusion

1247
00:45:33,570 --> 00:45:31,990
that it wasn't terrorism so is it only a

1248
00:45:35,370 --> 00:45:33,580
terrorist investigation if it turned out

1249
00:45:36,570 --> 00:45:35,380
to be terrorism that's what's so weird

1250
00:45:38,670 --> 00:45:36,580
about this whole thing I mean they can

1251
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:38,680
rule things out it's just like Sheriff

1252
00:45:42,359 --> 00:45:40,450
Ron Bardo can rule out Levi's Hancock

1253
00:45:44,370 --> 00:45:42,369
did not you know whatever but he can't

1254
00:45:45,930 --> 00:45:44,380
okay so we've got one removed down we

1255
00:45:48,780 --> 00:45:45,940
got how many more officers were in there

1256
00:45:51,839 --> 00:45:48,790
to go by so back to back to the autopsy

1257
00:45:53,910 --> 00:45:51,849
thing here we've got 58 autopsies that

1258
00:45:58,280 --> 00:45:53,920
were performed supposedly because the

1259
00:46:00,690 --> 00:45:58,290
information is still it gray that's that

1260
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:00,700
the information is still gray and we're

1261
00:46:05,070 --> 00:46:02,170
still trying to figure out okay well how

1262
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:05,080
many actual internal exams were done you

1263
00:46:08,430 --> 00:46:06,490
know you have some of these these wounds

1264
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:08,440
that were yet were questions some people

1265
00:46:12,210 --> 00:46:10,930
believe that in my case Melissa Ramirez

1266
00:46:14,550 --> 00:46:12,220
which is a case obviously I'm very

1267
00:46:16,589 --> 00:46:14,560
familiar with some people believe she

1268
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:16,599
was shot in the head and some people

1269
00:46:24,810 --> 00:46:20,770
believe the the number that she is on

1270
00:46:27,930 --> 00:46:24,820
the autopsy report which is will say

1271
00:46:29,940 --> 00:46:27,940
fifteen will just use that number if

1272
00:46:31,230 --> 00:46:29,950
that's accurate or not as to whether or

1273
00:46:32,130 --> 00:46:31,240
not that was the actual cause of death

1274
00:46:34,339 --> 00:46:32,140
okay

1275
00:46:37,020 --> 00:46:34,349
or was she actually shot in there well I

1276
00:46:39,390 --> 00:46:37,030
to go the opposite route and I believe

1277
00:46:42,059 --> 00:46:39,400
that the autopsy is fairly accurate but

1278
00:46:44,089 --> 00:46:42,069
same time these people didn't get some

1279
00:46:47,490 --> 00:46:44,099
people didn't get internal exams that's

1280
00:46:50,220 --> 00:46:47,500
that's pretty much normal now so what we

1281
00:46:53,309 --> 00:46:50,230
need to do is have one really really

1282
00:46:55,650 --> 00:46:53,319
darn good pathologists come in and tell

1283
00:46:57,599 --> 00:46:55,660
us why this stuff would would be an

1284
00:46:59,370 --> 00:46:57,609
issue so we're gonna get you an

1285
00:47:02,880 --> 00:46:59,380
interview with somebody that's pretty

1286
00:47:05,700 --> 00:47:02,890
famous and why don't we have the

1287
00:47:11,609 --> 00:47:08,670
well they're part of the reason is is

1288
00:47:13,140 --> 00:47:11,619
there their answer to the answer to me

1289
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:13,150
was without going through the FOIA

1290
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:14,650
request just talking to somebody that

1291
00:47:18,210 --> 00:47:17,170
was there is that the information that

1292
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:18,220
they're going to put out they're going

1293
00:47:21,720 --> 00:47:19,690
to put it all out in the vault

1294
00:47:23,370 --> 00:47:21,730
okay the FBI has a portion of the

1295
00:47:25,079 --> 00:47:23,380
website that's dedicated to putting out

1296
00:47:27,240 --> 00:47:25,089
information like this that's just an

1297
00:47:29,549 --> 00:47:27,250
enormous amount and information rather

1298
00:47:32,130 --> 00:47:29,559
than piecing it out so I asked this

1299
00:47:35,490 --> 00:47:32,140
person I said okay so you're waiting to

1300
00:47:37,980 --> 00:47:35,500
put this very detrimental information

1301
00:47:40,470 --> 00:47:37,990
out and you're going to put it in the

1302
00:47:43,380 --> 00:47:40,480
vault but didn't you already give it to

1303
00:47:45,150 --> 00:47:43,390
the LV MPD and if you did already give

1304
00:47:47,490 --> 00:47:45,160
it to the LV MPD weren't you already

1305
00:47:49,470 --> 00:47:47,500
court-ordered to give us this

1306
00:47:51,599 --> 00:47:49,480
information so that we can put closure

1307
00:47:53,970 --> 00:47:51,609
to these people's minds thinking that we

1308
00:47:55,829 --> 00:47:53,980
have another shooter because we cannot I

1309
00:47:58,319 --> 00:47:55,839
can't sit here in front of you Jim right

1310
00:48:00,779 --> 00:47:58,329
now and stay that Steven padded was a

1311
00:48:02,579 --> 00:48:00,789
shooter the reason why I can't say it is

1312
00:48:05,670 --> 00:48:02,589
because I had no ballistics that put the

1313
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:05,680
weapon in his hand okay has anyone flat

1314
00:48:10,589 --> 00:48:08,410
out said that ballistics has been done

1315
00:48:12,450 --> 00:48:10,599
and it confirms that all the bullets

1316
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:12,460
came from his weapons it's very

1317
00:48:15,839 --> 00:48:14,410
difficult for me to separate what's been

1318
00:48:17,579 --> 00:48:15,849
said officially and what's been said to

1319
00:48:19,049 --> 00:48:17,589
me unofficially and so I have to

1320
00:48:20,940 --> 00:48:19,059
actually a lot of people think you know

1321
00:48:22,289 --> 00:48:20,950
t'rar you're like there's like the

1322
00:48:25,500 --> 00:48:22,299
world's slowest computer and you're

1323
00:48:27,269 --> 00:48:25,510
trying to think back as anybody ever

1324
00:48:29,430 --> 00:48:27,279
said that oh my gosh we've got some

1325
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:29,440
unexplained bullets er yes

1326
00:48:34,769 --> 00:48:32,890
no no one said that but people outside

1327
00:48:36,599 --> 00:48:34,779
of the investigation have said that of

1328
00:48:37,859 --> 00:48:36,609
course and right people believe there

1329
00:48:39,720 --> 00:48:37,869
was additional shooters a central

1330
00:48:41,609 --> 00:48:39,730
shooters helicopters aliens whatever

1331
00:48:44,069 --> 00:48:41,619
whether it's official or unofficial you

1332
00:48:47,549 --> 00:48:44,079
haven't heard any reports that in fact

1333
00:48:50,010 --> 00:48:47,559
there were unexplained bullets no I

1334
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:50,020
haven't heard that specifically but I

1335
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:52,210
haven't I don't have the information in

1336
00:48:55,260 --> 00:48:53,290
front of me to be able to

1337
00:48:56,730 --> 00:48:55,270
State but we're gonna get it eventually

1338
00:48:58,920 --> 00:48:56,740
you're saying the FBI is gonna release

1339
00:49:00,540 --> 00:48:58,930
it on their website I hope so and if

1340
00:49:02,730 --> 00:49:00,550
they release it on the website here's

1341
00:49:06,450 --> 00:49:02,740
the problem and this reverses back a

1342
00:49:08,430 --> 00:49:06,460
little bit Jim is it of your belief

1343
00:49:11,010 --> 00:49:08,440
that's not getting this information the

1344
00:49:12,060 --> 00:49:11,020
ballistic report that we were ordered

1345
00:49:14,310 --> 00:49:12,070
they were ordered to give that

1346
00:49:16,670 --> 00:49:14,320
information out because LT MPD obviously

1347
00:49:19,890 --> 00:49:16,680
has it aren't we supposed to have it

1348
00:49:21,270 --> 00:49:19,900
yeah well that emanated from the FBI

1349
00:49:23,820 --> 00:49:21,280
originally though so you'd have to go

1350
00:49:25,230 --> 00:49:23,830
back and look at that original FOIA that

1351
00:49:26,100 --> 00:49:25,240
went to through the court system

1352
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:26,110
actually you have to look at the

1353
00:49:30,030 --> 00:49:27,850
original court order did the court order

1354
00:49:32,580 --> 00:49:30,040
just the LVM PD to really sell this

1355
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:32,590
information or did they also order the

1356
00:49:37,050 --> 00:49:34,930
Federal Bureau of Investigation now my

1357
00:49:41,070 --> 00:49:37,060
understanding is that all of the reports

1358
00:49:44,190 --> 00:49:41,080
were done within 30 to 45 days by the

1359
00:49:46,770 --> 00:49:44,200
FBI they were done like within 60 days

1360
00:49:49,620 --> 00:49:46,780
they were pretty much guaranteed done so

1361
00:49:51,300 --> 00:49:49,630
that means that even before the Las

1362
00:49:53,610 --> 00:49:51,310
Vegas review-journal went out and sued

1363
00:49:56,580 --> 00:49:53,620
for all this information that means the

1364
00:49:59,130 --> 00:49:56,590
LVN PD did have the information L V MPD

1365
00:50:00,450 --> 00:49:59,140
was definitely sued to give out all of

1366
00:50:02,190 --> 00:50:00,460
the information that it had on the case

1367
00:50:03,420 --> 00:50:02,200
we don't have another perpetrator out

1368
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:03,430
there running around that we're trying

1369
00:50:06,810 --> 00:50:04,810
to you know hold the information because

1370
00:50:09,540 --> 00:50:06,820
we have some lawsuit coming up we don't

1371
00:50:12,240 --> 00:50:09,550
have a live suspect the person is dead

1372
00:50:13,470 --> 00:50:12,250
so we're not waiting for trial and we

1373
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:13,480
need this information kind of hidden

1374
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:14,770
from the public view because it might

1375
00:50:21,180 --> 00:50:16,930
taint the jury pool we don't have any of

1376
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:21,190
this so why are they holding it they're

1377
00:50:26,820 --> 00:50:24,130
in contempt period I mean there's I

1378
00:50:28,740 --> 00:50:26,830
can't see any other way to look at yeah

1379
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:28,750
I mean I'm not a lawyer but I play one

1380
00:50:31,260 --> 00:50:29,170
on TV

1381
00:50:32,790 --> 00:50:31,270
the FBI draws this conclusion that there

1382
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:32,800
wasn't terrorism even though Isis

1383
00:50:35,130 --> 00:50:34,090
claimed responsibility I would have

1384
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:35,140
thought that they would want to release

1385
00:50:39,300 --> 00:50:36,850
information that demonstrated that

1386
00:50:41,270 --> 00:50:39,310
proved that is falsely claimed

1387
00:50:44,010 --> 00:50:41,280
responsibility here bingo

1388
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:44,020
last question papa

1389
00:50:49,770 --> 00:50:47,370
we asked him this he thinks that Patek

1390
00:50:51,990 --> 00:50:49,780
was the lone shooter I assume that's

1391
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:52,000
your conclusion also at this point I

1392
00:50:57,870 --> 00:50:55,570
believe that all of the shots that were

1393
00:51:00,030 --> 00:50:57,880
fired that day into the crowd there were

1394
00:51:04,650 --> 00:51:00,040
two shooters absolutely there were two

1395
00:51:04,900 --> 00:51:04,660
shooters in that room you're kidding now

1396
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:04,910
there

1397
00:51:13,750 --> 00:51:10,850
the room one was Stephen Patek as far as

1398
00:51:15,250 --> 00:51:13,760
my opinion is concerned the other was

1399
00:51:18,970 --> 00:51:15,260
Shawn O'Donnell the officer they had the

1400
00:51:21,970 --> 00:51:18,980
negative district got you inside Vegas

1401
00:51:24,340 --> 00:51:21,980
take a shooting joke yeah that's bad but

1402
00:51:29,770 --> 00:51:24,350
the situation is this I have no evidence

1403
00:51:32,020 --> 00:51:29,780
that you mean you had the you were too

1404
00:51:34,240 --> 00:51:32,030
but the you know the thing is this is

1405
00:51:36,250 --> 00:51:34,250
that I have zero evidence and in Who am

1406
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:36,260
I right Who am I to be sitting here

1407
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:37,970
making this statement well I'm a person

1408
00:51:40,690 --> 00:51:39,290
that's basically dedicated a lot of his

1409
00:51:42,370 --> 00:51:40,700
life to it and I don't make any money

1410
00:51:44,230 --> 00:51:42,380
from this I've lost tons of money from

1411
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:44,240
this and on top of all of that

1412
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:45,530
I've sat there and I've listened to

1413
00:51:50,260 --> 00:51:48,410
absolutely every single bullet and tried

1414
00:51:52,240 --> 00:51:50,270
to determine the trajectory of every

1415
00:51:54,250 --> 00:51:52,250
single bullet where it went what it hit

1416
00:51:56,740 --> 00:51:54,260
who it hit all of these different things

1417
00:51:57,850 --> 00:51:56,750
and so out of all of that I have to sit

1418
00:52:01,390 --> 00:51:57,860
there and determine where the bullet

1419
00:52:05,830 --> 00:52:01,400
came from I know where every single

1420
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:05,840
bullet came from no bullet that I was

1421
00:52:08,740 --> 00:52:07,610
able to have any audio on I'm looking

1422
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:08,750
you right in your eye and I'm telling

1423
00:52:13,540 --> 00:52:10,010
you this just I could tell anybody else

1424
00:52:16,390 --> 00:52:13,550
no bullet from from any came from any

1425
00:52:18,820 --> 00:52:16,400
other location other than within 50 feet

1426
00:52:23,140 --> 00:52:18,830
or 23 feet which is my error of margin

1427
00:52:25,030 --> 00:52:23,150
of that room so there had to be if there

1428
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:25,040
was a helicopter then the helicopter had

1429
00:52:29,620 --> 00:52:27,530
to be hovering right by the room and no

1430
00:52:31,750 --> 00:52:29,630
one and the reason you know you had just

1431
00:52:34,150 --> 00:52:31,760
fog of war general mayhem and you had a

1432
00:52:36,100 --> 00:52:34,160
lot of echoing of sounds and that's why

1433
00:52:37,540 --> 00:52:36,110
people who were at the festival were so

1434
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:37,550
convinced that it was multiple shooters

1435
00:52:40,930 --> 00:52:39,170
and from all over the place yeah you

1436
00:52:42,580 --> 00:52:40,940
have that you have the you know the

1437
00:52:45,010 --> 00:52:42,590
sonic cracks plus you have sounds that

1438
00:52:48,180 --> 00:52:45,020
you had in the other hotels so the sign

1439
00:52:50,590 --> 00:52:48,190
you had you had a amplified audio system

1440
00:52:52,180 --> 00:52:50,600
still turned on yeah you had that you

1441
00:52:53,980 --> 00:52:52,190
had that and that that's something I

1442
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:53,990
actually looked at early on and very

1443
00:52:58,810 --> 00:52:56,450
early on because that was I'm stinking

1444
00:53:01,990 --> 00:52:58,820
okay this amplified system so on the guy

1445
00:53:03,610 --> 00:53:02,000
whose little that runs that board his

1446
00:53:07,750 --> 00:53:03,620
name I won't give his name it starts a

1447
00:53:10,540 --> 00:53:07,760
lot of K he did he turn the board off

1448
00:53:12,010 --> 00:53:10,550
where the board was shot really the

1449
00:53:14,050 --> 00:53:12,020
board was shot there's there's a picture

1450
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:14,060
of that sound board of it being shot now

1451
00:53:18,460 --> 00:53:17,330
I don't I cannot sit here and say that I

1452
00:53:20,590 --> 00:53:18,470
could

1453
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:20,600
now I can differentiate whether or not

1454
00:53:24,070 --> 00:53:22,490
the sound came from El rads because live

1455
00:53:25,630 --> 00:53:24,080
the current one of the current theories

1456
00:53:27,730 --> 00:53:25,640
is that El rads was out there which

1457
00:53:29,770 --> 00:53:27,740
which is you're you're extremely loud

1458
00:53:33,010 --> 00:53:29,780
speaker that people use for crowd

1459
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:33,020
control and in the time of work as well

1460
00:53:37,450 --> 00:53:35,930
but that wasn't you so if I could rule

1461
00:53:39,850 --> 00:53:37,460
out that I should be able to rule out

1462
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:39,860
the speakers so what you do is you bring

1463
00:53:44,170 --> 00:53:41,890
in a very sophisticated audio program

1464
00:53:46,690 --> 00:53:44,180
one of which I was using at the time I

1465
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:46,700
can't show the public so I have to bring

1466
00:53:51,220 --> 00:53:49,330
it into an Adobe product and show it

1467
00:53:54,250 --> 00:53:51,230
where you actually start putting

1468
00:53:58,570 --> 00:53:54,260
different sound sources into the area

1469
00:54:00,490 --> 00:53:58,580
and and then you play the sounds you

1470
00:54:02,050 --> 00:54:00,500
know through a virtual area and see if

1471
00:54:05,710 --> 00:54:02,060
they match what you actually hear and

1472
00:54:08,260 --> 00:54:05,720
they don't they don't match so what does

1473
00:54:11,380 --> 00:54:08,270
match is is all of the sounds being

1474
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:11,390
emanated from the 32nd floor or there

1475
00:54:15,220 --> 00:54:13,850
abouts and that's it I don't have any

1476
00:54:17,230 --> 00:54:15,230
evidence points me any other way and

1477
00:54:19,570 --> 00:54:17,240
there's been plenty of time for plenty

1478
00:54:22,240 --> 00:54:19,580
of audio experts out there to debunk me

1479
00:54:24,220 --> 00:54:22,250
or to debunk you know anyone else that

1480
00:54:26,050 --> 00:54:24,230
said any different and no one has come

1481
00:54:28,240 --> 00:54:26,060
through with any clear concise evidence

1482
00:54:30,130 --> 00:54:28,250
that has said anything different okay

1483
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:30,140
let's make this last question keep

1484
00:54:34,930 --> 00:54:33,050
thinking of one more Live Nation do you

1485
00:54:37,950 --> 00:54:34,940
think I mean I think you believe that

1486
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:37,960
Mandalay Bay acted grossly negligent and

1487
00:54:41,380 --> 00:54:39,530
should pay up

1488
00:54:43,510 --> 00:54:41,390
Live Nation do you think they should be

1489
00:54:46,240 --> 00:54:43,520
held responsible well here's the way

1490
00:54:48,010 --> 00:54:46,250
this works when you buy a ticket when

1491
00:54:49,990 --> 00:54:48,020
you buy a ticket to go to a concert and

1492
00:54:53,350 --> 00:54:50,000
Live Nation was was one of the first

1493
00:54:56,380 --> 00:54:53,360
people that Katherine Lombardo attorney

1494
00:54:56,890 --> 00:54:56,390
katham Lombardo actually sued are put on

1495
00:54:59,590 --> 00:54:56,900
the lawsuit

1496
00:55:02,380 --> 00:54:59,600
say a Live Nation and they they're the

1497
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:02,390
ticket resource for this and they are

1498
00:55:05,020 --> 00:55:03,890
also the source for me for the number of

1499
00:55:07,090 --> 00:55:05,030
people that were there but out of the

1500
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:07,100
gold nico PIMCO promoter go promoter of

1501
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:09,170
the event so an MGM is the one who

1502
00:55:12,970 --> 00:55:11,450
signed the the permit to get the event

1503
00:55:14,140 --> 00:55:12,980
so MGM signed that permit when it

1504
00:55:17,470 --> 00:55:14,150
shouldn't have been them that's another

1505
00:55:18,970 --> 00:55:17,480
story but you have Live Nation who

1506
00:55:22,180 --> 00:55:18,980
collects tickets now when you when you

1507
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:22,190
sell a ticket to an event how much money

1508
00:55:25,660 --> 00:55:24,050
from that ticket goes in towards the

1509
00:55:27,370 --> 00:55:25,670
actual ticket paying the promoters

1510
00:55:28,810 --> 00:55:27,380
paying the the artist and what have you

1511
00:55:31,810 --> 00:55:28,820
and then certain portion that goes into

1512
00:55:33,310 --> 00:55:31,820
some form of liability insurance see

1513
00:55:36,340 --> 00:55:33,320
they absolutely should have been part of

1514
00:55:38,050 --> 00:55:36,350
this suit now whether or not CSC which

1515
00:55:41,230 --> 00:55:38,060
is you well they're only responsible

1516
00:55:42,310 --> 00:55:41,240
they have to be been responsible in some

1517
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:42,320
way they have to have acted negligently

1518
00:55:45,250 --> 00:55:43,850
in some way so that's really the

1519
00:55:47,500 --> 00:55:45,260
question they're not responsible simply

1520
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:47,510
because they're the promoter yeah yeah

1521
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:48,890
they just did that but but so because

1522
00:55:54,580 --> 00:55:50,210
what the reason I thought the question

1523
00:55:55,390 --> 00:55:54,590
is you mentioned the sound board one of

1524
00:55:57,940 --> 00:55:55,400
the things that was mentioned is that

1525
00:55:59,740 --> 00:55:57,950
there should be some emergency system in

1526
00:56:01,450 --> 00:55:59,750
place that if some emergency happens

1527
00:56:04,210 --> 00:56:01,460
there's another mica there's a way to

1528
00:56:06,910 --> 00:56:04,220
communicate with the crowd there was

1529
00:56:08,050 --> 00:56:06,920
zero communication you know Jason even

1530
00:56:09,370 --> 00:56:08,060
runs off the stage and that's the end of

1531
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:09,380
the communication there's nobody that we

1532
00:56:14,380 --> 00:56:12,170
have been watching my videos yeah oh

1533
00:56:16,210 --> 00:56:14,390
yeah actually yeah early on that was one

1534
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:16,220
of the first things I said was was that

1535
00:56:19,660 --> 00:56:18,050
number one they should have had a system

1536
00:56:21,070 --> 00:56:19,670
in place it automatically takes over in

1537
00:56:23,260 --> 00:56:21,080
case something happens like boom there's

1538
00:56:25,330 --> 00:56:23,270
a big red button sitting on top of that

1539
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:25,340
sound board and in case of emergency

1540
00:56:28,810 --> 00:56:27,290
like you knows a building collapse a

1541
00:56:31,870 --> 00:56:28,820
plane crash they're right by the airport

1542
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:31,880
you know if a plane crash is right there

1543
00:56:34,720 --> 00:56:33,530
that's going to be a huge distraction no

1544
00:56:36,100 --> 00:56:34,730
one's going to know what to do

1545
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:36,110
you're not gonna verbally get on a

1546
00:56:39,610 --> 00:56:37,970
microphone and say okay everyone remain

1547
00:56:42,340 --> 00:56:39,620
calm who the hell is gonna remain calm

1548
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:42,350
you know you got tanks exploding you got

1549
00:56:45,100 --> 00:56:43,490
someone shooting over here you got

1550
00:56:46,210 --> 00:56:45,110
planes crashing over here all these

1551
00:56:49,780 --> 00:56:46,220
different things that could be played

1552
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:49,790
out and in this event hit the red button

1553
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:52,370
in the case of emergency hit this red

1554
00:56:55,750 --> 00:56:54,410
button and automated message comes over

1555
00:56:57,190 --> 00:56:55,760
the system and tells people where to go

1556
00:56:58,900 --> 00:56:57,200
now that's assuming that all the gates

1557
00:56:59,980 --> 00:56:58,910
remain the same and all these other

1558
00:57:01,090 --> 00:56:59,990
things and you remember there's little

1559
00:57:02,410 --> 00:57:01,100
metal things that they had out there

1560
00:57:03,700 --> 00:57:02,420
they're trying to correct and corral

1561
00:57:05,860 --> 00:57:03,710
people into certain locations like a

1562
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:05,870
little I think the cow herders or

1563
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:08,330
whatever recall and they try to get

1564
00:57:12,310 --> 00:57:09,890
people to go certain directions but in

1565
00:57:14,530 --> 00:57:12,320
the case of emergency no one that is

1566
00:57:16,390 --> 00:57:14,540
listening to this right now can say that

1567
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:16,400
they do not know what to do when they

1568
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:19,010
get on a plane yeah okay well the other

1569
00:57:21,910 --> 00:57:20,450
thing I would add is that your Live

1570
00:57:23,350 --> 00:57:21,920
Nation are promoting this event and

1571
00:57:25,330 --> 00:57:23,360
you're out there setting everything up

1572
00:57:27,940 --> 00:57:25,340
and you're looking around thinking about

1573
00:57:31,180 --> 00:57:27,950
security thinking about wanting people

1574
00:57:33,460 --> 00:57:31,190
as they come in etc but how much thought

1575
00:57:34,540 --> 00:57:33,470
was given to that well guys look at the

1576
00:57:37,540 --> 00:57:34,550
surroundings here look at all these

1577
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:37,550
elevated positions of people that could

1578
00:57:40,180 --> 00:57:39,170
you know so just like I think the police

1579
00:57:41,290 --> 00:57:40,190
should have thought about that and

1580
00:57:43,220 --> 00:57:41,300
Mandalay Bay should have thought about

1581
00:57:45,050 --> 00:57:43,230
that I think Live Nation arguably should

1582
00:57:47,750 --> 00:57:45,060
about that well they should have someone

1583
00:57:50,150 --> 00:57:47,760
like me that is an expert in that area

1584
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:50,160
that's an expert well we'll just say

1585
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:52,170
that any time we use the term expert

1586
00:57:55,460 --> 00:57:53,490
people immediately started talking with

1587
00:57:57,740 --> 00:57:55,470
us so let's just say them I'm fairly

1588
00:57:59,630 --> 00:57:57,750
versed in several areas one of which

1589
00:58:02,210 --> 00:57:59,640
would be to go into a venue and look

1590
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:02,220
around and go okay you guys got all of

1591
00:58:05,090 --> 00:58:03,570
these buildings around here just like

1592
00:58:06,590 --> 00:58:05,100
you alluded to that's the elevated

1593
00:58:08,420 --> 00:58:06,600
position that's a problem we need to

1594
00:58:10,790 --> 00:58:08,430
have someone that's watching these

1595
00:58:13,070 --> 00:58:10,800
positions okay anytime you have an event

1596
00:58:14,900 --> 00:58:13,080
that's over a certain amount now Nevada

1597
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:14,910
has classifications for events that over

1598
00:58:18,380 --> 00:58:16,290
ten thousand or over X amount of people

1599
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:18,390
that they should have certain security

1600
00:58:24,470 --> 00:58:22,530
protocol in place did they I know it

1601
00:58:25,970 --> 00:58:24,480
doesn't seem like it so if you have that

1602
00:58:27,470 --> 00:58:25,980
so you bring in some new measures so

1603
00:58:29,570 --> 00:58:27,480
this event actually broke the mold

1604
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:29,580
there's nothing else like it to compare

1605
00:58:33,500 --> 00:58:31,890
to so you said there you go okay let's

1606
00:58:35,930 --> 00:58:33,510
be proactive here let's hire some people

1607
00:58:37,609 --> 00:58:35,940
I will do it for free I will go out

1608
00:58:39,950 --> 00:58:37,619
there and absolutely for free I'll work

1609
00:58:41,359 --> 00:58:39,960
for months if necessary to go over a

1610
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:41,369
certain protocol that needs to be put

1611
00:58:46,430 --> 00:58:43,050
into place anytime any situation like

1612
00:58:48,380 --> 00:58:46,440
this occurs no tarts look at elevated

1613
00:58:50,780 --> 00:58:48,390
positions you look at crowd dispersal

1614
00:58:51,980 --> 00:58:50,790
and crowd control okay whenever an event

1615
00:58:53,990 --> 00:58:51,990
happens you've got people running

1616
00:58:56,359 --> 00:58:54,000
everywhere so now guess what your

1617
00:58:57,140 --> 00:58:56,369
security is inside that crowd they're

1618
00:58:59,000 --> 00:58:57,150
running everywhere

1619
00:59:00,530 --> 00:58:59,010
you should have security in elevated

1620
00:59:02,210 --> 00:59:00,540
positions that are watching the crowd

1621
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:02,220
and basically guiding people and where

1622
00:59:05,300 --> 00:59:03,810
to go flashlights

1623
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:05,310
you need to have lights you need to have

1624
00:59:09,050 --> 00:59:07,290
flashlights that security has that

1625
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:09,060
people recognize immediately that's

1626
00:59:12,770 --> 00:59:10,410
security let's go there

1627
00:59:13,970 --> 00:59:12,780
yellow orange whatever so everybody

1628
00:59:16,700 --> 00:59:13,980
knows this and over time you're

1629
00:59:18,050 --> 00:59:16,710
conditioned to this okay all these

1630
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:18,060
different things need to be put in place

1631
00:59:22,359 --> 00:59:19,890
a loudspeaker system obviously would be

1632
00:59:24,650 --> 00:59:22,369
clear that would come on and adjust

1633
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:24,660
telling people where to go now here's

1634
00:59:29,900 --> 00:59:26,730
the problem with that and a pre-recorded

1635
00:59:31,490 --> 00:59:29,910
message and if a shooter knows that hey

1636
00:59:34,310 --> 00:59:31,500
this pre-recorded message is going to

1637
00:59:36,349 --> 00:59:34,320
come on and it's gonna say for people to

1638
00:59:38,060 --> 00:59:36,359
go this direction well I got a surprise

1639
00:59:39,620 --> 00:59:38,070
for them because it's already going to

1640
00:59:41,359 --> 00:59:39,630
get tell him to go this direction so I'm

1641
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:41,369
gonna put bombs there with remote

1642
00:59:44,450 --> 00:59:43,050
controls and I'm not putting them I'm

1643
00:59:46,580 --> 00:59:44,460
not putting any you know thing either

1644
00:59:48,500 --> 00:59:46,590
well it's not a pre-recorded no it would

1645
00:59:51,740 --> 00:59:48,510
be an alive you could have a guy in a

1646
00:59:53,359 --> 00:59:51,750
live mic alternate that's what I would

1647
00:59:54,859 --> 00:59:53,369
recommend someone that's actually being

1648
00:59:56,690 --> 00:59:54,869
someone actually able to view the

1649
00:59:57,170 --> 00:59:56,700
situation that is truly an expert the

1650
00:59:59,630 --> 00:59:57,180
underst

1651
01:00:02,630 --> 00:59:59,640
how the crowds work and in what's going

1652
01:00:05,059 --> 01:00:02,640
to happen and can actually identify new

1653
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:05,069
situations as they occur you know you're

1654
01:00:07,130 --> 01:00:05,970
not gonna have some artificial

1655
01:00:08,539 --> 01:00:07,140
intelligent program out there with a

1656
01:00:09,650 --> 01:00:08,549
camera it's gonna be able to do all this

1657
01:00:11,329 --> 01:00:09,660
stuff so you need to have a person on

1658
01:00:12,980 --> 01:00:11,339
the mic that says hey okay well we've

1659
01:00:15,079 --> 01:00:12,990
got something going on there so you know

1660
01:00:17,180 --> 01:00:15,089
everyone head this direction and highly

1661
01:00:19,490 --> 01:00:17,190
you need to have signs that are elevated

1662
01:00:22,519 --> 01:00:19,500
that clearly indicate an exit and the

1663
01:00:24,829 --> 01:00:22,529
number okay everyone head to exit five

1664
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:24,839
mmm so you can look up and see it the

1665
01:00:28,130 --> 01:00:26,730
exits were on the fence line which is

1666
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:28,140
basically at the same level of our head

1667
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:29,250
so as you're moving around you're not

1668
01:00:32,510 --> 01:00:30,690
gonna see that from a distance so these

1669
01:00:34,789 --> 01:00:32,520
are all different things that I would be

1670
01:00:36,049 --> 01:00:34,799
more than happy to go into with you know

1671
01:00:39,019 --> 01:00:36,059
obviously this show is not the way the

1672
01:00:40,339 --> 01:00:39,029
the time to do it but to go into and put